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I heard an explanation those were used for preparing the explosives. But what is the implication either way?
Several eyewitnesses described the shooters as being extremely calm when they were talking and almost trance-like when they were shooting. So if there was some form of pharmacological intervention it would be good to know that... no?? To me it would perhaps point to there being a handler on the scene, making sure his sacrificial lambs are drugged up and ready for the slaughter. The last thing ISIS want is for them to get cold feet at the last minute.
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Several eyewitnesses described the shooters as being extremely calm when they were talking and almost trance-like when they were shooting. So if there was some form of pharmacological intervention it would be good to know that... no?? To me it would perhaps point to there being a handler on the scene, making sure his sacrificial lambs are drugged up and ready for the slaughter. The last thing ISIS want is for them to get cold feet at the last minute.
Maybe they just enjoyed killing in the name of Allah? That must be the biggest kick ever
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Hmmm, are you implying that lumping moderates with extremists causes moderates to become extremists?
In Germany people who attend Pegida rallies or post critical stuff on facebook are being lumped with extremist neo Nazis.

What's the difference?

Well actually, Pegida have been protesting both against being lumped with these people and also condemned them. But its not preventing the media from peddling that they are one and the same.
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Interesting article on Isis drug use.

ISIS METH HEADS: TWEEKING IN THE NAME OF ISLAM

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Several eyewitnesses described the shooters as being extremely calm when they were talking and almost trance-like when they were shooting. So if there was some form of pharmacological intervention it would be good to know that... no?? To me it would perhaps point to there being a handler on the scene, making sure his sacrificial lambs are drugged up and ready for the slaughter. The last thing ISIS want is for them to get cold feet at the last minute.
I guess there's a pseudo-precedent, with the "Hashishim==Assasin" myth.
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I was wondering if those guys takes drugs before committing these attacks.
like vikings on fly agaric mushrooms, nazis on meth, US marines on bennies.

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Maybe they just enjoyed killing in the name of Allah? That must be the biggest kick ever
What did Anders Brevik, Dylann Roof et al kill in the name of? Anyway I would wager that the same parts of the brain were lighting up in all these killers whilst they were gunning down innocent people in cold blood.
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What did Anders Brevik, Dylann Roof et al kill in the name of? Anyway I would wager that the same parts of the brain were lighting up in all these killers whilst they were gunning down innocent people in cold blood.

They were total whackheads. Problem with these radical Muslims is that they simply follow the 100 verses of the Qoran that call on fighting the non believers
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Maybe they just enjoyed killing in the name of Allah? That must be the biggest kick ever

I find it hard to see anybody enjoying killing in the Name of God
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I find it hard to see anybody enjoying killing in the Name of God
I'm sure they enjoy it why else would they do it in the first place?
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I find it hard to see anybody enjoying killing in the Name of God
We can't understand this mentality if we look at it through our own moral lens.

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They were total whackheads. Problem with these radical Muslims is that they simply follow the 100 verses of the Qoran that call on fighting the non believers
I think the BIG MOTIVATOR is a culture that glorifies these actions, and considers terrorism as heroism. Anders Brevik and Dylan Roof does not have the support of their culture. But these do, and they willingly die knowing in their minds they have the esteem of their communities.

I was just reading about someone who was "martyred", and their family was interviewed. They went on about how glad they were he did it, and how he elevated their family name and honour. <---THIS is the big motivator for these attacks.

Somehow or another, a lot of Muslims have felt a deep sense of humiliation and dishonour in the world, and attribute it to the West. And so there is a deep desire to reclaim that honour, by whatever means. But how does one respond to this if it is not understood? I mean esteem and love is free, and the West is not some diabolical and sadistic culture trying to humiliate these people.

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I think the BIG MOTIVATOR is a culture that glorifies these actions, and considers terrorism as heroism. Anders Brevik and Dylan Roof does not have the support of their culture. But these do, and they willingly die knowing in their minds they have the esteem of their communities.

I was just reading about someone who was "martyred", and their family was interviewed. They went on about how glad they were he did it, and how he elevated their family name and honour. <---THIS is the big motivator for these attacks.

Somehow or another, a lot of Muslims have felt a deep sense of humiliation and dishonour in the world, and attribute it to the West. And so there is a deep desire to reclaim that honour, by whatever means. But how does one respond to this if it is not understood? I mean esteem and love is free, and the West is not some diabolical and sadistic culture trying to humiliate these people.

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Well said. But those moderate Muslim say that while it's tragic that innocent people died - they had it coming.
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How about this one :

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/webwel...erstecken.html



To translate that one third of ALL Arabic tweets in Belgium supports ISIS.

Similarly :


So let's not be bullshitting ourselves or anyone else that this is a tiny minority anymore.
21% of the Tweets in USA support ISIS?

More than in Saudi Arabia who some people claim support/fund ISIS?

Something odd about that table?
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21% of the Tweets in USA support ISIS?

More than in Saudi Arabia who some people claim support/fund ISIS?

Something odd about that table?
Ah those moderate Muslims
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What did Anders Brevik, Dylann Roof et al kill in the name of? Anyway I would wager that the same parts of the brain were lighting up in all these killers whilst they were gunning down innocent people in cold blood.
Andres Breivik had a clear political reason - An extermist anti Muslim, Anti feminist, Anti lots of things.

A single man killed most of the future leaders of the Norwegian labour party. this was not a random terrorist act - this was political murder par excellence. Norway hardly started to realise the terrible effect of his actions.

Arabs have been doing similar things for Generations - The result of losing political power in the arab world is death or imprisonment (Think Abu ghraib, multiply by 100). This is the prevailing political culture in the Arab world and until it changes we can expect more violence.
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Salem alekum my friend...

I wonder how can we compare the moderate Muslims with recent history events...

A majority of Muslims did and does fight against ISIS
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

The way to end this madness is not to start dropping more bombs, but to achieve a better understanding of ourselves as a species and as individuals:

http://www.context.org/iclib/ic04/hoyte/

buddhists and scientists, unite!

but try telling that to the jihadists...
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Okay, some very rough numbers:

Population of Iraq: 33,400,00
Population of Syria: 22,800,000
Number of ISIS fighters: 31,000

Using half the population: 28,100,000, percentage of ISIS to population: approx. 0.1%? Yet they control the region.

The point is you only need a small handful of extremist to take over a large quantity of "moderates" or passives. So proportion doesn't really say much when it comes to passive moderates.



They do NOT control the region, but just some areas.


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http://www.context.org/iclib/ic04/hoyte/

buddhists and scientists, unite!

but try telling that to the jihadists...

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21% of the Tweets in USA support ISIS?

More than in Saudi Arabia who some people claim support/fund ISIS?

Something odd about that table?
To be perfectly honest I don't really understand what the table shows either. Its clearly not validated, clean data and its is so ridden by confounding factors as to be completely useless. I think its some just some journo with no understanding of scientific method putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5.
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