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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

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Old 19.11.2015, 11:32
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Oh God, this hoary old chestnut
Have you actually read the newspapers these last few days? Muslims groups, governments and individuals have been swift to condemn the terrorist actions and express sympathy with the victims and their families. What exactly are you expecting, your Turkish neighbours to come to your door and issue a formal apology?
What about this:



...a nice sentiment from a Muslim man.
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Someone was offering hugs in front of the station at Lausanne yesterday
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How did you know I was from Cornwall?

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Oh God, this hoary old chestnut
Have you actually read the newspapers these last few days? Muslims groups, governments and individuals have been swift to condemn the terrorist actions and express sympathy with the victims and their families. What exactly are you expecting, your Turkish neighbours to come to your door and issue a formal apology?
No, I would hope to see news reports/pictures of thousands of them on the streets in protest as happened with the cartoons.

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Muslims have been marching in protest of the attacks, Muslims have been marching in support of Paris, Muslims have spoke up on TV, newspapers, radio and in all kind of social media sites.

Islam doesn't have a pope to speak for everyone. There is no Vatican Muslim style.

Like Christianity, Islam has multiple branches.

And again, let's just make this clear one more time:

ISIS is killing waaaaaay more, many, many more Muslims than anyone else.
I agree, so why aren't you all on the streets protesting about it. I've seen no reports/pictures of any major protest marches over this, only small groups of a dozen or so or individuals. Yes, you're protesting on social media, but it's not visible to the world at large. The impression this is giving is that if the West does something to upset you, there'll be massive protests, riots, damage done until you get an apology. If another Muslim group does it, then well it's sort of okay with you cause it's not really worth protesting about. Like it or not this battle is being fought on TV/internet/youtube and the lack of visible evidence by the majority of Muslims will only confirm in many peoples' eyes that you do tacitly condone what ISIS is doing.
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I think Richdog might possibly have been having a bad morning on Saturday.
If you are lucky enough to meet him in person he is a .
No-one cares how Richdog or any other forum user is in real life, really. This is an open public forum and they should have some decency, imagine, even towards those who are not part of their gang in real life...
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What about this:



...a nice sentiment from a Muslim man.
We need discussion, discourse, debate - not fluffyheaded two way ego rubs. This just makes people feel a little better about themselves without addressing any real issues.
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Old 19.11.2015, 11:50
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Good point. Reminds me of a couple of famous sayings:


As well as


It's good to hear European Muslims speaking out against it, and condemning hate-preaching Imams and turning them in to authorities (altho is this a sincere effort from within? Or pressure from the French authorities? Or from fear of backlash?).

And what about in the Middle East itself? I'm aware there's a war there against ISIS (but alot of support for ISIS as well). And before they existed, there was Al Queda. And before them were other groups. It seems the radical Islam ideology keeps existing in one form or another. How to stomp it out so it's marginalized and rejected by society? If the silent majority stood up and turned against it?

About "How to stomp it out ..." Key question of course.

A surprising number of people blame "Western interference" but that is an easy knee jerk reaction and does not explain, for example,
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No, I would hope to see news reports/pictures of thousands of them on the streets in protest as happened with the cartoons.
If your mindset is one of suspicion, paranoia and 'them versus us', then nothing will ever satisfy you.
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No-one cares how Richdog or any other forum user is in real life, really. This is an open public forum and they should have some decency, imagine, even towards those who are not part of their gang in real life...
That's fine. I'm even more gobby and opinionated offline than I am on here.

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If your mindset is one of suspicion, paranoia and 'them versus us', then nothing will ever satisfy you.
It's none of the above, it's puzzlement/confusion about why the publication of a few cartoons can provoke such a reaction, but Muslims attacking/killing others doesn't. Muslims seem to care more about their faith being insulted than what is being done in its name.

Yes I know Mohammed is revered and there aren't supposed to be any depictions of him, but really ... does it hurt you and your faith so much if there are? Do they detract from his teachings/beliefs? No, not that I can see. But then again I think all religions are nothing but shams in general, though many good ideas for how we should live come from them. The most important one is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
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It's none of the above, it's puzzlement/confusion about why the publication of a few cartoons can provoke such a reaction, but Muslims attacking/killing others doesn't. Muslims seem to care more about their faith being insulted than what is being done in its name.
Can you back up your assertions with any data, or is it just gut feeling?
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

I don't know about you, but I find his gesture beautiful..
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Friday night, you took an exceptional life - the love of my life, the mother of my son - but you will not have my hatred. I don't know who you are and I don't want to know, you are dead souls. If this God, for whom you kill blindly, made us in his image, every bullet in the body of my wife would have been one more wound in his heart.

So, no, I will not grant you the gift of my hatred. You're asking for it, but responding to hatred with anger is falling victim to the same ignorance that has made you what you are. You want me to be scared, to view my countrymen with mistrust, to sacrifice my liberty for my security. You lost.

I saw her this morning. Finally, after nights and days of waiting. She was just as beautiful as when she left on Friday night, just as beautiful as when I fell hopelessly in love over 12 years ago. Of course I am devastated by this pain, I give you this little victory, but the pain will be short-lived. I know that she will be with us every day and that we will find ourselves again in this paradise of free love to which you have no access.

We are just two, my son and me, but we are stronger than all the armies in the world. I don't have any more time to devote to you, I have to join Melvil who is waking up from his nap. He is barely 17-months-old. He will eat his meals as usual, and then we are going to play as usual, and for his whole life this little boy will threaten you by being happy and free. Because no, you will not have his hatred either.”
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Can you back up your assertions with any data, or is it just gut feeling?
No, not at all. It's just the impression I get from the lack of any news coverage showing these protests - if they are happening. I have no doubt that the majority of Muslims are just as horrified by what's going on as the rest of us. But I do find the difference in reaction to the cartoons versus ISIS killings puzzling/confusing.
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No, not at all. It's just the impression I get from the lack of any news coverage showing these protests - if they are happening. I have no doubt that the majority of Muslims are just as horrified by what's going on as the rest of us. But I do find the difference in reaction to the cartoons versus ISIS killings puzzling/confusing.
About "the lack of any news coverage"; do not confuse the things that newspapers decide to publish or not publish with what is really happening in the world.

Newspapers have relatively limited space and so only publish what they consider newsworthy, for example, newspapers have many fotos of auto accidents but very few of weddings (unless the happy couple happen to be well known) although there are far more weddings than such accidents..
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Muslims have been marching in protest of the attacks, Muslims have been marching in support of Paris, Muslims have spoke up on TV, newspapers, radio and in all kind of social media sites.

Islam doesn't have a pope to speak for everyone. There is no Vatican Muslim style.

Like Christianity, Islam has multiple branches.

And again, let's just make this clear one more time:

ISIS is killing waaaaaay more, many, many more Muslims than anyone else.
Indeed even in Paris there were too many Muslim victims. People interested in the statements of "moderate Muslims" should read what the families of these say; although not widely published - probably not "newsworthy"
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About "the lack of any news coverage"; do not confuse the things that newspapers decide to publish or not publish with what is really happening in the world.

Newspapers have relatively limited space and so only publish what they consider newsworthy, for example, newspapers have many fotos of auto accidents but very few of weddings (unless the happy couple happen to be well known) although there are far more weddings than such accidents..
However they will be covering major events. Don't see a newspaper much these days, but iirc TV news coverage of the cartoon protests was widespread over all the channels. Doesn't seem to be any of similar large protests against ISIS so they're either not happening or for some reason TV doesn't see them as important enough to cover.
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However they will be covering major events. Don't see a newspaper much these days, but iirc TV news coverage of the cartoon protests was widespread over all the channels. Doesn't seem to be any of similar large protests against ISIS so they're either not happening or for some reason TV doesn't see them as important enough to cover.
Maybe we don't watch the same channels and read the same news. But I saw many protests here and there in the news. One today about a protest in the city in Belgium where the terrorists were from. Muslims came out and protest saying it was not how the neighborhood was. People of all faith came and protested with them, in support.
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However they will be covering major events. Don't see a newspaper much these days, but iirc TV news coverage of the cartoon protests was widespread over all the channels. Doesn't seem to be any of similar large protests against ISIS so they're either not happening or for some reason TV doesn't see them as important enough to cover.
Were you aware of the "South Korean Spring" that's kicking off right now, with violent protests involving several hundred thousand protesters?

No?

Me neither until I stumbled on an article in an Australian newspaper.
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