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Old 22.03.2016, 11:33
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Marton's comparison, not mine.
But your reply, don't blame marton for your acts.
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You're going round in circles. It was a surprise operation.
How do you prepare for a surprise? Bizarre logic you have.
By preparing for the next event in advance, whenever that may happen. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.

Moelenbeek is notorious for unrest. That means people have experience and are prepared as it's only a question of time for the next incident to happen. What you call surprise is the police POV, need not at all apply to the locals.

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Do you have videos or evidence from other urban riots (LA, London, Paris, Sydney etc) where there are alot of rioters wearing protective gear?

Most of these riots start once pressure keeps building until a flash point occurs and then all hell breaks loose. What you're describing sounds more like organized urban warfare from the Balkans or similar.
No vids from this side, google is your friend.

All I have is practical experience from 2-3 decennials back, while gear probably improved the fundamentals stay the same. Even if your intentions are for a peaceful protest (not applicable in Molenbeek I guess) you prepare for the worse, just in case. And that means, foremost, you cover as much of your skin as you can and try to get lots of padding(word?). See martons links.

Riots are carried out virtually exclusively by young men, typically in their late teens up to perhaps 30 (exceptions apply of course). In the videos from Molenbeek linked to so far you see children, women (who in a muslim area are virtually guaranteed to not be allowed to partake in a riot), overweight men in their fifties and older. This is not the cohort active in a riot, quite the contrary.
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Old 22.03.2016, 12:09
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

I would just shut up after the last incidents in Belgium, if I were you two - Marton and Urs Max. It all happened within days after SA was arrested. Will we have both of you arguing that there is no connection between these events, too? I bet we will.

This thread becomes more and more ridiculous.
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Old 22.03.2016, 12:12
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

This is the only video marton published with actual riot footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAX5bq_q3Ak

If you actually watched it none of the rioters had any protective gear. In fact some of them were shirtless.

So you're argument that the people 'have to be prepared for battle with protective gear otherwise it's not a riot' kind of falls flat.

Besides, as greenmount pointed out this has now esculated to a terrorist attack so the riot is kind of pointless.
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

This is a new video of SA's capture, narrated in French. The action happens between 1:00 to 1:30.:

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/32616/Terre...eschoten.dhtml
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Old 22.03.2016, 12:33
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I would just shut up after the last incidents in Belgium, if I were you two - Marton and Urs Max. It all happened within days after SA was arrested. Will we have both of you arguing that there is no connection between these events, too? I bet we will.

This thread becomes more and more ridiculous.
You seem to take this forum too seriously, you know most internet forum posters are between the ages of 12 and 14
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Old 22.03.2016, 12:35
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This is the only video marton published with actual riot footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAX5bq_q3Ak

If you actually watched it none of the rioters had any protective gear. In fact some of them were shirtless.

So you're argument that the people 'have to be prepared for battle with protective gear otherwise it's not a riot' kind of falls flat.

Besides, as greenmount pointed out this has now esculated to a terrorist attack so the riot is kind of pointless.
Ah, there was a terrorist attack so now we are empowered to tell as many lies.as we want to support our view.
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Old 22.03.2016, 12:38
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You seem to take this forum too seriously, you know most internet forum posters are between the ages of 12 and 14
Marton, I'm beginning to think that is your mental age.
Over 120 innocent people died in the Paris attacks.
Then they arrested the suspected coordinator of those attacks and there was RIOTING among youths in the neighbourhood in which he had been hiding.
Less than a week later, another 20 people die in senseless violence and you are still arguing the toss ?
And saying we shouldn't take these events seriously?
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Old 22.03.2016, 12:55
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Marton, I'm beginning to think that is your mental age.
Over 120 innocent people died in the Paris attacks.
Then they arrested the suspected coordinator of those attacks and there was RIOTING among youths in the neighbourhood in which he had been hiding.
Less than a week later, another 20 people die in senseless violence and you are still arguing the toss ?
And saying we shouldn't take these events seriously?
In all fairness, Marton is a nice guy otherwise. Don't understand his position here, usually he is reasonable. I assume that some things are not going very well. I'll personally stop arguing with him and continue to read his posts on other subjects.
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Old 22.03.2016, 12:55
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Marton, I'm beginning to think that is your mental age.
Over 120 innocent people died in the Paris attacks.
Then they arrested the suspected coordinator of those attacks and there was RIOTING among youths in the neighbourhood in which he had been hiding.
Less than a week later, another 20 people die in senseless violence and you are still arguing the toss ?
And saying we shouldn't take these events seriously?
Reminder:
This part is about whether there was a riot or not. It's not about whether there's a connection between Molenbeek and the terrorist acts.
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Old 22.03.2016, 13:15
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Marton, I'm beginning to think that is your mental age.
Over 120 innocent people died in the Paris attacks.
Then they arrested the suspected coordinator of those attacks and there was RIOTING among youths in the neighbourhood in which he had been hiding.
Less than a week later, another 20 people die in senseless violence and you are still arguing the toss ?
And saying we shouldn't take these events seriously?
LOL, talking about putting words in other people's mouths

I wrote "You seem to take this forum too seriously,"

Not "we shouldn't take these events seriously"

and there was NO RIOTING among youths...

Sigh!

I know "Over 120 innocent people died in the Paris attacks" and I extended my condolences and also for the deaths in Brussels today (which not everybody has done).
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Old 22.03.2016, 17:58
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there was NO RIOTING among youths...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...um-riot-police

Sigh. Just won't give up, will you. Even after today's attacks.
Wait until the world's scrutiny is on how the Molenbeek area did indeed react last Friday. There are more police operations under way there today.
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Old 23.03.2016, 10:14
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In all fairness, Marton is a nice guy otherwise. Don't understand his position here, usually he is reasonable. I assume that some things are not going very well. I'll personally stop arguing with him and continue to read his posts on other subjects.
I do find the racist and/or xenophobic knee jerk reaction content from some here to be hard to handle, especially the statements that could easily be checked in two minutes in Google and found to be without any foundation.

For example, the false claims that Muslims do not condemn the extremists.
I already posted links here to the many thousands of influential Muslims who condemned these attacks; including such arch enemies as the leader of Iran and the King of Saudi Arabia.

I leave the last word here to the (well integrated) Muslim mayor of Rotterdam "After last week’s terrorist attacks in Paris, Rotterdam Mayor Ahmed Aboutaleb was as angry as any European leader when he called for the “complete destruction” of the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

But Aboutaleb’s reaction carried special meaning: Born in Morocco, he is the first Muslim and first immigrant to lead a major Dutch city. Aboutaleb has never shied from using this status to amplify his hard-line message against extremism. After the Charlie Hebdo attack in January, he told Dutch Muslims: “If you do not like it here because some humorists you don’t like are making a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off.”"

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or here

or here.
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Old 23.03.2016, 10:50
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I do find the racist and/or xenophobic knee jerk reaction content from some here to be hard to handle, especially the statements that could easily be checked in two minutes in Google and found to be without any foundation.
Pretty serious allegation - look forward to you demonstrating that with proof rather than pulling directly out of your anus.
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Old 24.03.2016, 16:33
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

So Abdesalem has decided not to fight extradiction back to France. He wants to explain himself. That should be interesting.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35889305

Wonder what "excuses" for killing 130 people he can come up with.
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Old 24.03.2016, 19:47
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So Abdesalem has decided not to fight extradiction back to France. He wants to explain himself. That should be interesting.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35889305

Wonder what "excuses" for killing 130 people he can come up with.
Perhaps the heat he thought he'd face in France now seems like nothing compared to the flames burning in Brussels.
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Old 24.03.2016, 20:36
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Perhaps when he's tried and convicted France should bring back the guillotine and chop his head off. I'm sure there must be something in the Koran along the lines of "an eye for an eye" and ISIS has certainly taken enough heads. Time we showed them we can be just as ruthless.
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Old 24.03.2016, 20:39
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Perhaps when he's tried and convicted France should bring back the guillotine and chop his head off. I'm sure there must be something in the Koran along the lines of "an eye for an eye" and ISIS has certainly taken enough heads. Time we showed them we can be just as ruthless.
So you want to show them that we are just like them?
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Old 24.03.2016, 20:46
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Perhaps when he's tried and convicted France should bring back the guillotine and chop his head off. I'm sure there must be something in the Koran along the lines of "an eye for an eye" and ISIS has certainly taken enough heads. Time we showed them we can be just as ruthless.
Interestingly, the Koran does have a reference to revenge, but it is much more tolerant than the Bible in this respect. "whosoever forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be an expiation for him."

See Chapter (5) sūrat l-māidah (The Table spread with Food).

http://corpus.quran.com/translation....ter=5&verse=45
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So you want to show them that we are just like them?
No, we are not. He'll have a fair trial and be sentenced - that is justice. What trial did any of the people ISIS beheaded receive? None - that is murder.

They are murderers pure and simple - I see nothing wrong in making sure that any caught pay the ultimate penalty so they have no chance of ever doing it again. I also see no reason why our taxes should pay to keep them in relative comfort for the rest of their natural lives. Rabid dogs are put down - these people are rabid humans. Deal with them in the same way.
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Old 24.03.2016, 20:53
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Interestingly, the Koran does have a reference to revenge, but it is much more tolerant than the Bible in this respect. "whosoever forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be an expiation for him."

See Chapter (5) sūrat l-māidah (The Table spread with Food).

http://corpus.quran.com/translation....ter=5&verse=45
You may want to revert to the New Testament. Slightly different treatment there
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