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Old 14.11.2015, 18:41
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Entirely predictable consequence of importing people without seeing if they fit the societal values without forcing them to immigrate and not simply subsist in inevitable ghettoes...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...test-news.html

One Paris attacker was a Syrian passport holder (real or fake?) who came via Greece.
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:41
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Lots of people benefit from uncertainty and war.

But plenty more lose out.

But hey! Who cares when there are votes to be won and profits to be made? We can sacrifice a few football fans and Algerian taxi drivers for that, eh?

For a people with a dying belief system, it is a dying world. In its last throes, it lashes out like an animal trapped in a corner. To remind the living and the thriving, and to pull as many people as they can with them to death.

And that is what this it, the last throes of a dying belief system.
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:43
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Perhaps he's one of those people who bought a fake passport.
ah you mean... like a huge proportion of so called refugees ???
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:43
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I have absolutely no problem with us agreeing to disagree, and I'm getting an inkling that you're really not up to much intelligent debate without resorting to personal attacks (if someone says "you're so cool" in a debate then generally we are reverting to teenage levels of conversation), so lets just leave it there.



Surely the difference is intention to seek out and kill innocent civilians?
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:45
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Really, what difference does it really make if these killers are French or from abroad? They're part of the same vile movement.
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:47
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Just like the two Eritrean asylum seekers who stabbed a woman and her son to death in IKEA recently there is a CHOICE over whether these people should be here in the first place. The more incidents like this that occur the more the majority of people - and eventually politicians will have to get realistic and say no chance.
it was ONE asylum seeker who stabbed and killed, the other was just there (i.e. he was not in on it), and that asylum seeker received the same day the decision that he was not allowed to stay

this was a single incident and cannot be compared to the horrible deed in Paris...i.e. they have nothing to do which each other

he was christian by the way...
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:47
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Surely the difference is the intention to seek out and kill innocent civilians? I'm not denying we have killed our share of innocents, we have of course, but we do not specifically aim to do so in promotion of any ideology. Our goal is to incapacitate armed opposition, and unfortunately we have not always been so accurate with our intel and our aim.
Killing innocents is a means to an end - with the main goal being to divide western society, spreading fear and social unease. Unfortunately, they are doing quite well. The West does the same, sending the drones to circle and come back to drop another few bombs on innocent rescuers who are trying to help the wounded. We're a savage lot, us humans.

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Old 14.11.2015, 18:49
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Really, what difference does it really make if these killers are French or from abroad? They're part of the same vile movement.
It makes a huge difference if you give the people a choice as to whether they actually wish to take the risk of importing large numbers of these people right to your doorsteps. Rather obvious.
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:51
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it was ONE asylum seeker who stabbed and killed, the other was just there (i.e. he was not in on it), and that asylum seeker received the same day the decision that he was not allowed to stay

this was a single incident and cannot be compared to the horrible deed in Paris...i.e. they have nothing to do which each other

he was christian by the way...
Uhh one asylum seeker murdering Europeans has nothing to do with another asylum seeker murdering Europeans eh ??? Oh kindly fill me in on all the nuances....
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:54
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I think you need to dig deep and ask why you decided to bad rep me and groan at me profusely over literally every post I made that was not agreement with your views. I know you guys have a 'pact' and like to roast certain people you decide to bully because of their opiions.

I have been around a long time on EF, I always made a big effort no to bad rep and especially not groan (check my stats) but you... ..you'll drop a groan at any opportunity you can as we see against me, and I'm not the one who will back down considering your rotten, stupid and bigoted opinions because I have the right to strongly disagree with bigots.
Last post to you, but the reason I gave you neg rep, and groan you, is because you quite frankly, in my opinion, talk utter tripe. I am guessing it's the same of the others who groan you too, there is no mobbing or conspiracy involved. Please note that outside of this thread I have not groaned you. Now for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, please get a grip of your apparent neurosis, take some deep breaths, and step away from your PC before you have a coronary. Cheers m'dear.
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Old 14.11.2015, 18:59
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Uhh one asylum seeker murdering Europeans has nothing to do with another asylum seeker murdering Europeans eh ??? Oh kindly fill me in on all the nuances....
yes I understand that it is hard for you to grasp,

the killing in Sweden was done by one temporary insane/not stable person, totally spontaneous, and who had no connection with any terror organizations

the terror act in Paris was performed by a well planned terror organization, i.e. IS, and who said that the Syrian in Paris was a refugee? I guess you assumed...or?

you see the difference?
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Old 14.11.2015, 19:03
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the killing in Sweden was done by one temporary insane/not stable person, totally spontaneous, and who had no connection with any terror organizations
Let's see here... a man is told that his asylum application is rejected and AFTER that goes to a store and murders , in cold blood a woman and her child and when asked why he did it he says he chose his victims "because they were the most Swedish looking". You seem to have a massive problem understanding the principle of insanity - certainly under criminal law....

http://newobserveronline.com/ikea-mu...oking-victims/

again just another asylum seeker murdering Europeans.

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Old 14.11.2015, 19:07
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

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The Belgian justice minister says "a number" of arrests have been made in Brussels in relation to the Paris attacks, according to the Associated Press news agency.

This comes after police raided a neighbourhood of the Belgian capital earlier on Saturday.
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He is wrong, you can negotiation with them. The upper levels are paid mercenaries and they will serve whoever pays the most. Watch the Q&A I posted with Putin, he clearly lays out how this works. Fighters flip-flop between the different rebel groups, e.g. leaving Nusra Front et al to join ISIS for better money, weapons and supplies. There is no ideology there, its pure mercenary tactics.

Exactly the same thing happened a decade ago in Afghanistan. Fighters were flitting between the Northern Alliance and the Taliban depending on whoever was doing better and had the better food and supplies.

These are very dirty games the West, Saudi and the Gulf states are playing and unfortunately it is the innocents who have to pay the price.
Sorry but where have you got this information from? This seems too far fetched to be believed, what have you got access to that we don't to warrant saying this?
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Old 14.11.2015, 19:51
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

We are living in dangerous times ...

Allied forces promise to wreak attacks on IS, whereas the latter threatens with retaliation towards all responsible countries who engaged in the region. Meanwhile, good hearted politicians invite more people from the war ridden Syria, while taking infiltration risks and security breach, to vastly populate already economically aching EU. Russia finding common interest with the West in fight against terrorism, after their plane was downed, is going to get involved as well. The game of tit-for-tat revange between the West/East versus the Middle East has started. This ain't gonna end up well ...

Latest breaking news ...

Libya IS head 'killed in US air strike'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34823466
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

ISIS press release, if anyone's interested.

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Old 14.11.2015, 19:56
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We are living in dangerous times ...

Allied forces promise to wreak attacks on IS, whereas the latter threatens with retaliation towards all responsible countries who engaged in the region. Meanwhile, good hearted politicians invite more people from the war ridden Syria, while taking infiltration risks and security breach, to vastly populate already economically aching EU. The game of tit-for-tat revange between the West versus the Middle East has started. This ain't gonna end well ...

Latest breaking news ...

Libya IS head 'killed in US air strike'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34823466

Where the military response is misguided is in presuming that IS is there. That fact of the matter is that THIS is HERE. So while these governments will posture themselves to appear like they are actually doing something about it THERE, they won't really be doing much until they address THIS insurgency HERE.

And watch, when the sensationalism dies out of this after a few weeks time, it will be business as usual. Afterall, 150 negligable as collateral damage. They can afford more, because the people (WE) are willing to tolerate more. They simply need to put on some symbolic show that they did something.
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

During the course of a similar debate on twitter, somebody had posted this article from 2014. It is written by a Pakistan Canadian Physician

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-....html?ir=India

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You think so?

Ask yourself: who stands to benefit from the outrage these attacks have provoked?
I'm not one for conspiracy theories....but since you asked....I'd say the one to benefit from the attack would be...drum-roll....RUSSIA! If this terror attack is met with a fierce attack by EU/US against ISIS in the Middle East, that would: 1) help Russia in protecting the Assad regime in Syria, and 2) it would actually bring the EU/US and Russia to work together, and Russia has been feeling kind of outcast since the Ukraine thing, waiting for sanctions to end, etc.

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Yup. I carry my passport everywhere with me too.

Oh no, hang on. I don't.

But if I were to blow myself up at a pop concert, I'd be sure to take it along, just to help the police with their enquiries. I'd make it bombproof, too.

One has to think of others, right?
Could it be Chechens trying to cover their tracks? Hmmm...

Ok, tin-foil hat off It was probably plain ole radical Islamists like all the other terror attacks in Europe, ISIS, Al Queda, or whatever the flavor of the day is....
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I'm not one for conspiracy theories....but since you asked....I'd say the one to benefit from the attack would be...drum-roll....RUSSIA! If this terror attack is met with a fierce attack by EU/US against ISIS in the Middle East, that would: 1) help Russia in protecting the Assad regime in Syria, and 2) it would actually bring the EU/US and Russia to work together, and Russia has been feeling kind of outcast since the Ukraine thing, waiting for sanctions to end, etc.


Could it be Chechens trying to cover their tracks? Hmmm...

Ok, tin-foil hat off It was probably plain ole radical Islamists like all the other terror attacks in Europe, ISIS, Al Queda, or whatever the flavor of the day is....
Yes of course they used Kalashnikov machine guns. Therefore, it's needless to state the obvious
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