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Old 03.12.2015, 20:37
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Re: Are you a terrorist or sympathiser?

So I flew back from Geneva this afternoon to London Gatwick and have to say I was very surprised by the security.
After showing passports at the border crossing and going through to baggage reclaim, the moving flat walkway was blocked by some very heavily armed police - we were all made to walk in single file and a police dog was walked past every single person sniffing out for I imagine, any traces of explosives.

A very visible presence through out the whole place, never seen so many people especially at the final exit out of the arrivals hall.
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Old 03.12.2015, 21:23
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Was a war. Is any war "different"? It`s all about killing. Those who kill the most, win. How else does any country defend itself? War is brutal. Fact of life. Face it or not, remains a fact.

So we go on seeing videos of ISIS beheading civilian men, women and children, reading about the raping of the women, the starvation that is happening there, the infiltration of suicide bombers and terrorists into peaceful countries - because we don`t like the idea of wiping out the source? It`s too brutal! Are they not brutal? "Live by the sword, die by the sword" - they are asking for it, and no-one is giving it to them.
What our glorious leaders don't, can't or won't see is that the war they are fighting now is a totally different war to what they were taught to enjoy and they simply can't cope with it.
In this war, THEY want to take the casualties, THEY want oodles of fighters and civilians and women and children to die, it makes us good guys look bad, then, THEY want to rape, pillage, plunder and burn, keeps the troops happy, just like in the good old days.
Apart from the fun of plunder and pillage lets take a look at rape, you are forcing your will on the weakest of your enemies, in short you are saying: "Your my bitch!" same with the beheadings and it works like a treat, you should see the youtube hits when some bugger gets a very close shave.
If you look at ISIS as a tribe instead of a religious movement you will see what I mean.
I agree with you on wiping out the source, however to do so you would need "our" armies to totally and I mean as in total war in the Goebbels sense of the word wipe them out to the last man, woman and child.
Would you like your government to do this? Do you want total war?
(Always wanted to get that sentence in a thread)
It will thankfully never happen as we as a society are much too squeamish to do what it takes to fight this kind of war and that is why the barbarians at our gates will always win.
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Old 03.12.2015, 21:45
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Re: Are you a terrorist or sympathiser?

There is an interesting article how the us training local police/army in Afghanistan, iraq doesnt work. The reason is the locals dont think their country/ system is worth saving, dying for,

i just mention this because air strikes have traditionally been the thin end of the wedge, destroy the infrastructure of a country, then line some american businesses pockets, and send our boys (someones brother uncle father) in to act as a form of security for these 'businesses' but call it military.

Notice all those young male Syrian 'refugees' here, why not tell them they can only come here if they train to fight Isis to get their home back? Or at least offer the option.. See how eager they are.

I know as an english woman, i'm with churchil, I i'd be on the beaches
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Old 03.12.2015, 22:01
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The current crop of UK MP's are an embarrassment to the country, it's a race to see who can make themselves look the most worthy human to please a minority who are too stupid to realize this vote was simply to move the current bombing that's going on and has been going on for sometime, a few hundred miles up the road into Syria.

This is not new bombing it's a continuation of the current boming, just in a different place.
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Old 03.12.2015, 22:19
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So can you clarify who needs to attack what?
Who: those who oppose violent Islamism
What: violent Islamism

But you knew that already although its sweet of you to ask......
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Old 03.12.2015, 22:25
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Who: those who oppose violent Islamism
What: violent Islamism

But you knew that already although its sweet of you to ask......
Oh who cares, bomb baby bomb. A good old fashioned war is what our military industrial complex needs, all this asymmetrical warfare where Scheiße gets real is bad for business.
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Old 03.12.2015, 22:49
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Who: those who oppose violent Islamism
What: violent Islamism

But you knew that already although its sweet of you to ask......
But your answer doesn't say much.

What is violent Islamism and how do you identify it? What differentiates it from non-violent Islamism?

I was just talking to a friend who lives in San Bernardino, and takes his son to that same center where the muslim couple massacred those people. He said the atmosphere is frightening, and the level of Muslim bigotry is especially heightened. That area has a reputation of being a KKK region. He thinks there is a high likelihood that some of the angry locals may do something to retaliate. But who would they retaliate against? The two were known as a quiet, reserved and devout Muslims. Your picture perfect "moderate" muslims. No indication of violent Islamism at all.

Like I said, this is not something that is isolated in Syria, nor enemies at the gates. This is actually amongst the people who live around us. But if the government is unable or unwilling to address that, due the potential scale of the issue, we may eventually see vigilantism. This may start to occur if governments are unable or unwilling to address the root cause issues, in favor of.
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Old 03.12.2015, 23:06
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But your answer doesn't say much.

What is violent Islamism and how do you identify it? What differentiates it from non-violent Islamism?

I was just talking to a friend who lives in San Bernardino, and takes his son to that same center where the muslim couple massacred those people. He said the atmosphere is frightening, and the level of Muslim bigotry is especially heightened. That area has a reputation of being a KKK region. He thinks there is a high likelihood that some of the angry locals may do something to retaliate. But who would they retaliate against? The two were known as a quiet, reserved and devout Muslims. Your picture perfect "moderate" muslims. No indication of violent Islamism at all.

Like I said, this is not something that is isolated in Syria, nor enemies at the gates. This is actually amongst the people who live around us. But if the government is unable or unwilling to address that, due the potential scale of the issue, we may eventually see vigilantism. This may start to occur if governments are unable or unwilling to address the root cause issues, in favor of.
Or if governments are unable to address the root failures in education that lead to people believing each of the billions of adherents are to blame for the actions of the few. Seriously, your argument above sounds more like failed domestic policy than failed foreign policy.
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Old 03.12.2015, 23:40
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Or if governments are unable to address the root failures in education that lead to people believing each of the billions of adherents are to blame for the actions of the few. Seriously, your argument above sounds more like failed domestic policy than failed foreign policy.
Sorry, which argument is that? I thought I posed a question.

My point is there is no point in bombing Syria if they don't even know what they are going to war against, nor even recognise where it is.
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My point is there is no point in bombing Syria if they don't even know what they are going to war against, nor even recognise where it is.
maybe I haven't been clear but that's essentially my view
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Sorry, which argument is that? I thought I posed a question.
Could be I misunderstood - I thought your last paragraph was blaming the bombing for a potential increase in homeland violence (eg vigilantes) whereas I would see it as a trigger but not the root cause.
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So I flew back from Geneva this afternoon to London Gatwick and have to say I was very surprised by the security.
After showing passports at the border crossing and going through to baggage reclaim, the moving flat walkway was blocked by some very heavily armed police - we were all made to walk in single file and a police dog was walked past every single person sniffing out for I imagine, any traces of explosives.

A very visible presence through out the whole place, never seen so many people especially at the final exit out of the arrivals hall.
never seen that in the UK, glad they are trying at least. I was in Paris a week after the mess there and no extra checks/police etc. Not even a basic ticket check on the train, nothing. You arrive and there is no police, no checks no anything. Didn't see extra police anywhere either.

Not even sure if it really makes a different though, I am not sure if anyone up to something would be stupid enough to fly into the UK when other routes are easier. Never had my passport looked for the tunnel, last year they still didn't look at them, I'm sure the bad guys know the weak spots in security
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never seen that in the UK, glad they are trying at least. I was in Paris a week after the mess there and no extra checks/police etc. Not even a basic ticket check on the train, nothing. You arrive and there is no police, no checks no anything. Didn't see extra police anywhere either.
Yes, it is well-known that terrorists cannot buy train tickets and do not have passports.

By the way - I was in Paris early this week, there are most definitely armed police and military wandering around Gare de Lyon and presumably other stations. You may have been so lucky as to have overlooked them.
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Yes, it is well-known that terrorists cannot buy train tickets and do not have passports.

By the way - I was in Paris early this week, there are most definitely armed police and military wandering around Gare de Lyon and presumably other stations. You may have been so lucky as to have overlooked them.
why the snark?

I came into the same station. There are always 1 set of armed guys there year round at least, I didn't even see them this time. I actually assumed there would be more checks than normal, but didn't see it. I work at the various areas tourists go to for my work and again, less police than normal. Just was saying, not sure why you'd debate it
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Its a pity, because I have always wanted to tour the region: Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad, etc. I imagined myself drinking mint tea, eating baklava, watching belly dancers, while smoking a water pipe laced with something mysterious. But by now, I've given up on the idea. I have to settle for some middle eastern restaurant, and hanging out with foreigners from the region.

You can drink mint tea, eat baklava, watch belly dancers and smoke a water pipe in Morocco too. Fez and Marakkech must be equal to Damascus and Baghdad in history, culture and as centres of learning.


Better hurry though as long as the king is still alive, because who knows what will happen when he leaves the scene?
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You can drink mint tea, eat baklava, watch belly dancers and smoke a water pipe in Morocco too. Fez and Marakkech must be equal to Damascus and Baghdad in history, culture and as centres of learning.


Better hurry though as long as the king is still alive, because who knows what will happen when he leaves the scene?
Damascus was wonderful, people were friendly, the food… well awesome doesn't quite describe it, Rice ice with Rose petals and honey, need I say more.
The Umayyad mosque with the huge cannon carriage in the courtyard then the grand bazar built in the ruins of a roman palace, the hallways used as roads. The occasional Karawanserei, unchanged since the days of camels.
Christians and moslems drinking coffee in the jewish quarter, people living in flats and apartments in the western sense, beer sold in the pubs and bars and of course the hotels.
Syria could have been the place to go for a holiday, take the kids.
All in ruins now.
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Damascus was wonderful, people were friendly, the food… well awesome doesn't quite describe it, Rice ice with Rose petals and honey, need I say more.
The Umayyad mosque with the huge cannon carriage in the courtyard then the grand bazar built in the ruins of a roman palace, the hallways used as roads. The occasional Karawanserei, unchanged since the days of camels.
Christians and moslems drinking coffee in the jewish quarter, people living in flats and apartments in the western sense, beer sold in the pubs and bars and of course the hotels.
Syria could have been the place to go for a holiday, take the kids.
All in ruins now.
Crap.
This is Damascus today:
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You can drink mint tea, eat baklava, watch belly dancers and smoke a water pipe in Morocco too. Fez and Marakkech must be equal to Damascus and Baghdad in history, culture and as centres of learning.

Better hurry though as long as the king is still alive, because who knows what will happen when he leaves the scene?
Regarding the Fez, the red hat, a freemason Shriner explained to me it is colored red to commemorate the slaughter of Christians in Fez. They had dipped their hats in Christian blood to honor Allah.

Hmmm, I get queasy enough travelling through some European cities, knowing what took place in some of them.
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Damascus was wonderful...
Christians and moslems drinking coffee in the jewish quarter...
Syria could have been the place to go for a holiday, take the kids.
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Crap.
Yes, With Baghdad gone Islamofaschist countries in the middle east are getting hard to find. You still have Iran, though.
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Regarding the Fez, the red hat, a freemason Shriner explained to me it is colored red to commemorate the slaughter of Christians in Fez. They had dipped their hats in Christian blood to honor Allah.

Hmmm, I get queasy enough travelling through some European cities, knowing what took place in some of them.
I'd suggest you not believe everything you hear. Some googling seems to indicate that's a myth.

Myself, I get queasy at the thought of symbolically eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a dead man.
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