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So talk about her politics- not her knockers. End off.
Yeah I know, interesting reply after what the guys where saying isn't
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Old 08.12.2015, 00:55
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Being a woman don't you think I know men are sexist?

I haven't seen her debates, but i do know as a woman in France it was assumed I wasn't as smart as my male peers in same line of work, and if it was the same thought in the UK or USA it was NEVER expressed in the same ways
Then according to your logic, she wouldn't be voted for her looks. In fact, she is ridiculed for her nice knockers, yet managed to win. Must be for the ideas in her brains, no?
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Then according to your logic, she wouldn't be voted for her looks. In fact, she is ridiculed for her nice knockers, yet managed to win. Must be for the ideas in her brains, no?


No what I was saying is that men may not vote for her because she is a woman, but maybe would be swayed because she is young and pretty.

I already assumed she was smart because looks alone wouldn't get her this far
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If she wan't pretty would she be winning?
So that must be the freason her grandad never won.



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Actually, I do.

However, you clearly do NOT!

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So that must be the freason her grandad never won.


Very nice indeed.









Her smile of course, what did you think
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Old 08.12.2015, 11:21
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No what I was saying is that men may not vote for her because she is a woman, but maybe would be swayed because she is young and pretty.

I already assumed she was smart because looks alone wouldn't get her this far
That makes no sense at all. Men would not vote for her, but would vote for her, but may not because..... tits? I think you are being sexist, and being sexist is not exclusively in the domain of men. This is France, not some Muslim country.
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Old 08.12.2015, 11:29
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That makes no sense at all. Men would not vote for her, but would vote for her, but may not because..... tits? I think you are being sexist, and being sexist is not exclusively in the domain of men. This is France, not some Muslim country.
I'm always somewhat wary of very young politicians, often coming straight from student politics into real politics and brining in maybe naive expectations and failing to understand the broader implications of issues and experience in dealing with them.

On the other hand, being unspoilt and untainted by political ways can also mean bring fresh air into stuffy places and thus be a good thing.

I don't know very much about Marion myself. I watched an interview with her once. The journalist was hitting very hard with tough questions and she was doing well hitting back so she has obviously already been hardened as to the political realities. But then I guess there are only so many tough questions a journalsit will ask an FN person and once you've been through them all and worked out a good answer to them all its just a question of repeating stuff.

Only time will tell whether she is really what she is made out to be.
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Old 08.12.2015, 11:34
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It's a surprise that it's only 43% to me...
We just had young men, born in France, raised in France, who benefited from many social programs growing up, turning against their country and killing random people in the name of Islam. I would say that it's a clear clue that immigration from Muslim countries is a kind of an issue right now...
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Old 08.12.2015, 11:46
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

My assumption is that she is simply attracting disenchanted voters. Voters who are fed up with the Socialists and the Conservatives. This surge by the National Front is mostly a protest vote rather than a vote for the party. As I understand, the National Front has no track record of governing.

In politics, one way to defeat a party is allow them to succeed. You can then have something to criticize. But if the FN is never allowed to enter government, they will continue to look like a viable alternative.

I'm not sure what the big fear of letting FN into government is. How much damage can they possibly do? What can go wrong? Why is it avoided like the plague?
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It's a surprise that it's only 43% to me...
We just had young men, born in France, raised in France, who benefited from many social programs growing up, turning against their country and killing random people in the name of Islam. I would say that it's a clear clue that immigration from Muslim countries is a kind of an issue right now...
So violence from non-immigrants is proof for need of harder immigration controls and laws?

This is among the biggest rubbish in this thread so far.
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Old 08.12.2015, 14:36
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My assumption is that she is simply attracting disenchanted voters. Voters who are fed up with the Socialists and the Conservatives. This surge by the National Front is mostly a protest vote rather than a vote for the party. As I understand, the National Front has no track record of governing.

In politics, one way to defeat a party is allow them to succeed. You can then have something to criticize. But if the FN is never allowed to enter government, they will continue to look like a viable alternative.

I'm not sure what the big fear of letting FN into government is. How much damage can they possibly do? What can go wrong? Why is it avoided like the plague?
I understand there are some towns governed by FN mayors. Robert Ménard for example, who are using the platform this gives them to further trumpet the cause of the far right.
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Interesting stats just come out from France.

Out of those who voted:

50% of those without any qualifications whatsoever voted for FN

35% of those with basic end of school cert voted for FN

29% of those with the Bac/Matu

24% of those with Bac + 2 (1/2 Degree)

16% of those with Degree and above

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Old 08.12.2015, 15:12
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Interesting stats just come out from France.

Out of those who voted:

50% of those without any qualifications whatsoever voted for FN

35% of those with basic end of school cert voted for FN

29% of those with the Bac/Matu

24% of those with Bac + 2 (1/2 Degree)

16% of those with Degree and above
I wonder how this compares to the PS statistics?

I guess it means the FN has displaced the PS as the party of the working class.

Of course the spin doctors of the PS are tying to pass this off as working-class = stupid moron.

I bet their remaining working class voters love that.
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Interesting stats just come out from France.

Out of those who voted:

50% of those without any qualifications whatsoever voted for FN

35% of those with basic end of school cert voted for FN

29% of those with the Bac/Matu

24% of those with Bac + 2 (1/2 Degree)

16% of those with Degree and above
Source ?
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Full article and stats, in French (which is why I had not shared the link)

http://leclairon.tv/site/index.php/author/vinvin/

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So violence from non-immigrants is proof for need of harder immigration controls and laws?

This is among the biggest rubbish in this thread so far.
it's more that Muslim families, especially from northern africa, have more difficulties to fit in the French (and western) societies. Radical islam then gives young men an easy path to turn against their country.
It's also true about french prisons, the stats (illegal in France) vary from 50% to 70% muslims in prison for 10% of the population. I understand the french vote as "it's about time to wonder why"
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Interesting stats just come out from France.

Out of those who voted:

50% of those without any qualifications whatsoever voted for FN

35% of those with basic end of school cert voted for FN

29% of those with the Bac/Matu

24% of those with Bac + 2 (1/2 Degree)

16% of those with Degree and above
This is because the people most negatively affected by immigration are those in low-paid, semi- or un-skilled jobs.

The middle classes are perfectly happy to pay less for their plumbing, childcare and cleaning, while the working classes suffer the consequences.
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Full article and stats, in French (which is why I had not shared the link)

http://leclairon.tv/site/index.php/author/vinvin/
Interesting source.

This graph would definitely support the proposition that the PS has lost the working class, now not even coming second in that group, and not even third even. For a party that still claims to represent the raised fist and the red rose in their struggle against the bourgeouis oppressor, that's not good.

And also interesting that PS and republicans are more or less equal in terms of their class/education footprint, further supporting the view that the parties are closer than they like to admit.
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

The vast majority of North African immigrants in France have been there for several generations, and not 'new' at all. They are poorly integrated in France- as compared to the UK for instance- because they are not accepted- rather than t'other way round. The UK has overall embraced multiculturalism- facilitating integration- France has not. Anyone who has studied FRench culture and politics, and lived there for a while will be aware of this. Even when working hard and achieving good qualifications despite things stacked against them (eg poor schools in poor Cité guettos) it is extremely difficult for young North AFricans (2nd, 3r or even 4th generation) to find a job, a flat to rent, a loan for anything, etc- in a way that just doesn't or couldnt' happen in the UK.
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