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Old 13.12.2015, 21:05
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Looks like the far right have not won any (edit - Major regions) regions in the second election round today from early results; not clear why yet.
Whether they lost votes
or more people voted who are not far right supporters
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Old 13.12.2015, 21:11
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Clearly the same tactic previously used against FN. The Socialists pulled their candidates from danger areas and asked their constituents to vote for the Conservatives.
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Marion can put her *its away for now, Marianne won.

Lated edit- thanks for the groans, I shall wear them with huge pride (Marianne is my second name btw- my Alsatian God Mother gave me both names, for France and for Alsace- une Grande Dame, great, great, great grand-daughter of Humboldt). Vive La France.

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Looks like the far right have not won any (edit - Major regions) regions in the second election round today from early results; not clear why yet.
Whether they lost votes
or more people voted who are not far right supporters
or....?

Clearly the Front Républicain handed a major defeat to Front National . It has always been so and I confidently expect it will always be so

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Clearly the same tactic previously used against FN. The Socialists pulled their candidates from danger areas and asked their constituents to vote for the Conservatives.
Well it didn't happen in "Grand-Est" Super Région, the stubborn Socialist candidate refused to pull out in the second round, so it was a triangulaire LR/PS/FN. That didn't prevent the easy victory of LR's Alsatian candidate Philippe Richert
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Well it didn't happen in "Grand-Est" Super Région, the stubborn Socialist candidate refused to pull out in the second round, so it was a triangulaire LR/PS/FN. That didn't prevent the easy victory of LR's Alsatian candidate Philippe Richert
Yea, but in Alsace, it was more important for most people to vote for a conservative Alsacian than for a FN candidate from the north, even if they would vote for FN in other elections.

For the rest of the country, I'd say that the statistics only count voting population, not the whole population. The score of FN are not that high in absolute numbers but it is the percentage numbers that count for the elections. A raise of participation is enough to keep FN to max. 25% of votes, which is usually not enough to win the second round. Taken the over 40% non-voters into the equation, I'd say one has max. 15% actual voters in France. From them, a third are traditional catholics for whom racism play no role whatsoever, and the rest is more or less post-colonial frustrated scared people for many different reasons. There are all kinds of people voting and running for the FN... This party has no internal cohesion whatsoever, it only keeps together in the role of the victim of the political structures. They will play that song non stop until the presidential elections in 2017...
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Anyone else following the French Elections? Sadly only 43% even voted but the Far right seems to be gaining a lot of ground.
Well whatever the outcome at least they (FN) might at least add to the balance of opinion for debate in these troubled times.
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

They definitely tilted French politics to the right. It got socialists voting conservative. Beauty.

It also makes clear the EU utopian experiment isn't paradise.

In democracies, it is very important to challenge the establishment. Otherwise, the establishment will exercise carte blanche authority, which they are doing now. An FN win somewhere would have kept them more honest.
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Clearly the same tactic previously used against FN. The Socialists pulled their candidates from danger areas and asked their constituents to vote for the Conservatives.

Turnout was up by around seven percentage points on the first round – particularly in areas where the FN could have won, suggesting many voters mobilised deliberately to beat the party.
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

looks like they have been blocked off, tant mieux.

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Old 14.12.2015, 09:17
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Yea, but in Alsace, it was more important for most people to vote for a conservative Alsacian than for a FN candidate from the north, even if they would vote for FN in other elections.

For the rest of the country, I'd say that the statistics only count voting population, not the whole population. The score of FN are not that high in absolute numbers but it is the percentage numbers that count for the elections. A raise of participation is enough to keep FN to max. 25% of votes, which is usually not enough to win the second round. Taken the over 40% non-voters into the equation, I'd say one has max. 15% actual voters in France. From them, a third are traditional catholics for whom racism play no role whatsoever, and the rest is more or less post-colonial frustrated scared people for many different reasons. There are all kinds of people voting and running for the FN... This party has no internal cohesion whatsoever, it only keeps together in the role of the victim of the political structures. They will play that song non stop until the presidential elections in 2017...
In order words, precisely the structure that would self implode the moment you hand them any real power and they have to take real decisions.

It is the stubborness of the other parties in keeping the FN from even the smallest snippet of power that is causing this unlikely coalition of rather unrelated political beliefs and dogmas to continue pretending they belong together.
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Turnout was up by around seven percentage points on the first round – particularly in areas where the FN could have won, suggesting many voters mobilised deliberately to beat the party.
It's an arithemetic thing.

Turnout was around 7 percentage points higher whereas the FN seems to have advanced by only about 2 percentage points since the first round. Thus most people who didn't vote in the first round must have voted againbst FN in the second round.

On the other hand, in terms of absolute numbers, the FN did grow from first to second round and this would suggest the glass ceilng has not been hit.
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Old 14.12.2015, 09:47
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

If anybody wants to look at the arithmetic.

Some interesting bits and pieces buried there.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89...7aises_de_2015
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

It is interesting they do it in 2 stages and there is such a difference the 2nd times, makes you wonder who would win given a 3rd chance?
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

I think it's more the French public not feeling happy/safe with things as they are at the moment so voted for the FN last time around to "wake up" the other politicians in hopes they'll tackle the problem. But were afraid to go the whole hog and let the FN get some seats on the councils so voted for the same old, same old this time around.
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They definitely tilted French politics to the right. It got socialists voting conservative. Beauty.
That's just the beginning.

The FN's upsurge has been a serious warning shot and the Republicans are likely to cut a more rightist course to curb the FN.

So you could say the FN is getting their way without being in power, but if things don't work out it was the others who did it and will bear the political blame.
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Old 14.12.2015, 12:24
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I think it's more the French public not feeling happy/safe with things as they are at the moment so voted for the FN last time around to "wake up" the other politicians in hopes they'll tackle the problem. But were afraid to go the whole hog and let the FN get some seats on the councils so voted for the same old, same old this time around.
In almost all areas the FN actually increased votes in overall numbers from the first to the second round, so I don't agree with the "wake up" theory. They lost ground percentage wise due to higher voter turnout. In some places they even increased percentage wise despite the stronger turnout.

So the assesment that some of the media are spreading that the FN collapsed or was routed are simply not true in my view. You can't really say that a party that has produced its strongest polling ever is routed. They didn't win control of the regional parliaments. But that's a different thing.
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Old 14.12.2015, 12:54
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I think it's more the French public not feeling happy/safe with things as they are at the moment so voted for the FN last time around to "wake up" the other politicians in hopes they'll tackle the problem. But were afraid to go the whole hog and let the FN get some seats on the councils so voted for the same old, same old this time around.
Well it doesn't really help when you have the acting Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, threatening civil war if FN wins. This looks more like at the level of the Communist hysteria in the US.
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Well as I said earlier it gives a balance to the opinion of the country and democracy as a whole, even though in the final wash-up it was democracy that prevented FN getting seats. It gave soem kind of balance! Maybe next time, who knows!
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