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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

And it is incredible to read what lengths some people will go to to spread more fear just before the elections- especially among parents and teachers:

teacher at a French preschool who said he had been stabbed by a man shouting "Islamic State" has admitted he made the story up, prosecutors say.The teacher said he had been attacked while alone in a classroom in Aubervilliers, a suburb of Paris.
But prosecutors said he had wounded himself with a box cutter and was now being questioned as to why he lied.
France remains on high alert following the terror attacks in Paris on 13 November that left 130 people dead.
The 45-year-old teacher - who has not been named - has been treated in hospital for superficial wounds to his side and neck.
According to his account, a man had attacked him with a box cutter at about 07:10 (06:10 GMT) on Monday and had shouted: "This is for Daesh [Islamic State]. It's a warning".
The incident sparked a manhunt in the northern suburb, as police tried to track down the alleged attacker.
The anti-terrorism branch of the Paris prosecutor's office also opened an investigation for attempted murder in relation to a terrorist act.
Earlier on Monday, Education Minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem visited the scene and vowed to increase security at French schools.
All classes at the Jean-Perrin preschool were cancelled.
Mayor of Aubervilliers Pascal Beaudet said it was not yet known what had motivated the teacher to lie.
He said the teacher had 20 years' experience and was "appreciated" by parents at the school.
Last month, the Islamic State's French-language magazine Dar-al-Islam recently urged followers to kill teachers in France, describing them as "enemies of Allah" for teaching secularism.
Rachel Schneider, of the French primary school teachers' union SNUipp, said many teachers had been alarmed by the threat.
"We have received many calls from colleagues, who are very worried," she said.
"They don't necessarily think there will be an organised attack, but they fear this message of murderous madness will inspire unstable people to action."
Aubervilliers is in the Seine-Saint-Denis department of the Ile-de-France region.
From BBC news.

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Old 14.12.2015, 20:48
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Another piece on the surprisingly large number of Muslims who are rallying behind the FN

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...e-muslim-vote/
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And it is incredible to read what lengths some people will go to to spread more fear just before the elections- especially among parents and teachers:

happens all the time, for example

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-524303.html

There was even a case in Dübendorf that was extensively discussed on this forum some years back.

Alleged skinheads attack near Stettbach Bahnhof
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Another piece on the surprisingly large number of Muslims who are rallying behind the FN

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/201...e-muslim-vote/
The FN in the South of FRance has loads of 3rd and 4th generation Italians and Spaniards, etc. Not a new phenomenon- ever read 'View from the bridge' by Arthur Miller. Some of my Trump/Tea Party relatives in the USA are 2nd generations Italian immigrants from the Bronx- oh and Swiss from NJ.
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I hope he is put away for a very long time ****
Why the ****? He sounds like he is mentally ill - in need of help, rather than curses, don't you think?
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Why the ****? He sounds like he is mentally ill - in need of help, rather than curses, don't you think?
No, it's called wasting police time - especially in the current climate. Should be heavily fined at least and possibly jailed too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasting_police_time
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

Where does mental illness end and terrorism begin?!? The colour of your skin, the origin of your parents, your religion?

In the post attacks climate in Paris, people and families were terrified enough without this.

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Where does mental illness end and terrorism begin?!? The colour of your skin, the origin of your parents, your religion?

In the post attacks climate in Paris, people and families were terrified enough with this.
You think someone who slashes himself with a Stanley knife is in good mental health?
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You think someone who slashes himself with a Stanley knife is in good mental health?
I think people do a lot of strange things, sometimes for their 15 minutes of fame, and rarely is it a case of mental health problems. It's a convenient excuse to put before a court/judge though.
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Ah, but he insulted the Caliphate. Off with his head?
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You think someone who slashes himself with a Stanley knife is in good mental health?
Did I say that? Do you really think that unhappy vulnerable and disturbed individuals who go shooting strangers or strapping bombs to themselves are generally of sound mental health. Perhaps a bit of reading on the subject would help- it's a fine line between terrorism and mental health problems, schizophrenia, related to sudden religiosity manipulated by others.
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Did I say that? Do you really think that unhappy vulnerable and disturbed individuals who go shooting strangers or strapping bombs to themselves are generally of sound mental health. Perhaps a bit of reading on the subject would help- it's a fine line between terrorism and mental health problems, schizophrenia, related to sudden religiosity manipulated by others.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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The FN in the South of FRance has loads of 3rd and 4th generation Italians and Spaniards, etc. Not a new phenomenon- ever read 'View from the bridge' by Arthur Miller. Some of my Trump/Tea Party relatives in the USA are 2nd generations Italian immigrants from the Bronx- oh and Swiss from NJ.

And also loads of pieds-noirs including the assistant of Marion Maréchal-Le Pen in Vaucluse whose father was a member of OAS.

The pieds-noirs have exercised enormous political power in PACA for decades. Traditionally they have voted Républicain (UMP) but have shifted to FN in recent years.
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The FN in the South of FRance has loads of 3rd and 4th generation Italians and Spaniards, etc. Not a new phenomenon- ever read 'View from the bridge' by Arthur Miller. Some of my Trump/Tea Party relatives in the USA are 2nd generations Italian immigrants from the Bronx- oh and Swiss from NJ.
It is incredible what lengths people would go to feel more accepted (do they still feel the need even after 3 or 4 generations?)....including voluntarily associating themselves with characters such as LePens...it is amusing otherwise.
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It is incredible what lengths people would go to feel more accepted (do they still feel the need even after 3 or 4 generations?)....including voluntarily associating themselves with characters such as LePens...it is amusing otherwise.
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why do you think that?

surely if an immigrant group displays the same range of political views in approximately the same percentages as the population at large, this is a good sign as it shows they are fully integrated.
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why do you think that?

Because immigrants are all the same, all think the same, all believe in the same things, and must all show eternal gratitude to the all-benevolent left and the kindly gifts it bestows upon them.
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I hope he is put away for a very long time ****
After psychiatric assessment, he's been sent to hospital:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35104580

Still think he's a ****?
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

I'm quite sure many 'terrorists' would benefit from psychiatric help too- as said, if you take a little time to do research, my point that there is a very fine line between terrorism and mental health, would become clearer, perhaps.
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I'm quite sure many 'terrorists' would benefit from psychiatric help too- as said, if you take a little time to do research, my point that there is a very fine line between terrorism and mental health, would become clearer, perhaps.
What research? I still don't understand what point you're making.

The man you described as a **** cut himself with a Stanley knife. What have "fine lines" and "research" got to do with it? Is he a **** in your eyes or not?
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Re: French far right looking to lead the election

The point I was making is about this, the fine line. And yes, perhaps my reaction was out of anger for those children and parents whose lives have been truly perturbed and filled with fear due to the Paris events- and his claim to have been attacked made their lives even more perturbed and even more full of fear. The point which ensured, about the fine line... is a separate issue:

All this does not apply to the so called “home-grown jihadists,” such as the Tsarnaev brothers or Michael Adebolajo of the horrific London incident. Their connection to Islam is tenuous. The Tsarnaev brothers grew in a family of non-believers. The Muslim beliefs of the Chechen people, like the religious beliefs of all the other peoples of the Soviet Union, were basically extinguished during the 70 years of the Soviet regime which was militantly atheist. Perhaps, the generation born before the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, kept their religion (though there is much evidence that many did not), but they could not even transmit it to their children, because such transmission was considered criminal activity. Most of the Tsarnaev family members remain non-believers until today; those who turned to religion did so in the United States. Similarly, the family of Michael Adebolajo, a second generation immigrant from Nigeria, is Christian, the young man converted to Islam ten years ago, in Britain. This means that, rather than being the motivation (and cause) of these men’s actions, Islam in their cases becomes a puzzle that must be explained. Moreover, with the causal chain reversed, their actions can no longer be considered rational: their identities are not defined by Islam, and the political goals of the ideology are not their personal goals.
Could it be that they have turned to Islam, in the first place, because they felt uncomfortable in their original identity (as non-believers, in one case, and as Christian, in the other), in their social environment? Research I have done for my recent book (see below) on mental illness in the modern world, leads me to conclude that such was the case indeed. What we have here is young people suffering from a profound psychological malaise, expressed as discontent with what one is (a sense of inferiority, in fact) and social maladjustment—regularly presented both with depressive and schizophreniform disorders—which provokes in them violent emotions, rage against both themselves and the environment, and in their attempt to make sense of these emotions, they clutch at the available and salient ideologies (such as Islam, widely believed in our society, as well as in Britain, to motivate rage against the West), which then justify their emotions in their own eyes and allow them to express these emotions. Their acts are expressive, not instrumental; they help to achieve no goal beyond that. Therefore, they are not political acts at all and cannot be characterized as terrorist. Instead, they are symptoms of a widespread mental dis-ease. In fact, when the spurious connection of the “homegrown” terrorist acts, such as the recent Boston Marathon bombings and the London incident, to Islam no longer channels our investigations away from the focus on the personal history of the people who commit them, we observe how similar both the background and the nature of these violent acts are to those of Adam Lanza (of Newtown) or James Holmes (the Aurora theater shooter).
If this is so, it may be up to the mental health professions, rather than anti-terrorist agencies, to prevent similar tragic events in the future.
Liah Greenfeld PhD, is the author of Mind, Modernity, Madness: The Impact of Culture on Human Experience (link is external)
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