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You write the one sided post belittling the city of Dubai and their safety standards, regulations, government based on single accident and draw conclusion that the whole world should follow the suit. I'm surprised you get even thanks for such a crappy substandard post without any evidence to back up your theories on real cause of an accident. I suggest, before you draw any conclusions, to wait until the report of investigations comes up (hopefully).

Enjoy your new year 2016 in safe cosy room in CH peacefully ...
Ok I know I said I wasn't going to respond to you again but... an opinion based on one single accident?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dubai+construction+accidents

http://www.gulfbusiness.com/articles...orld-official/

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Despite official safety claims, 43 per cent of the UAE's residents still say they have never taken part in a fire drill, finds new survey by Honeywell. Honeywell released a survey which found that 48 per cent of GCC residents have never taken part in a fire drill and that 28 per cent ignore the fire alarm.

Among the UAE respondents, 26 per cent said that they didn't know where the fire exit in their building was and up to 53 per cent never had fire safety equipment tested. While 43 per cent have never participated in a fire drill, 35 per cent ignore the fire alarm.

The problem of fire safety in the region rose to the fore following a fatal fire in a mall in Doha that killed 19 people, including 13 children and a dramatic blaze that gutted a building in Dubai's Jumeirah Lake Towers last year (2012).

According to Fenton, the general attitude towards safety is – ‘it has never happened to me, so I don't have to bother.'
I really can't believe how someone can be so dim. But you are. You really are.

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I see repeating pattern from other threads:

1 - It is NOT allowed to disagree with Richdog
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3 - Who ever disagrees and is not native English speaker is told that he / she cannot understand fully due to that fact.

Yap, Richdog - you are ALWAYS right and know everything, you also are EF police.


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Happy new year!
No, I enjoy an intelligent and rational debate and am always willing to concede a point if I am persuaded otherwise, I just never seem to get one from certain people.

I'll leave you to it.

Oh yeah, and Happy New Year.

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Old 01.01.2016, 15:47
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Ok I know I said I wasn't going to respond to you again but... an opinion based on one single accident?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dubai+construction+accidents

http://www.gulfbusiness.com/articles...orld-official/



I really can't believe how someone can be so dim. But you are. You really are.
That what the article exactly says "Dubai has the highest safety standards in the world office".

Furthermore it was an accident and all high raised buildings are prone to such irrespective to their location in the world. Stuff can go wrong anywhere.

http://fortune.com/2015/12/31/dubai-fire-high-rises/

Seriously dude. Your groaning and bad repping pattern all over show narrow-mindedness and lack of tolerance for other posters opinions.
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Old 01.01.2016, 15:58
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Seriously dude. Your groaning and bad repping pattern all over show narrow-mindedness and lack of tolerance for other posters opinions.
The only people I groan or neg rep are those who I genuinely believe deserve it. You couldn't actually prove any evidence of me engaging in serial groaning or neg repping if you tried, simply because I only do it is I genuinely believe a post is groanworthy. The vast majority of yours just happen to be those kinds of posts, and please rest assured that this is my honest opinion.

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That what the article exactly says "Dubai has the highest safety standards in the world office"
PS: lol this is exactly what I am talking about... please actually read the article I linked, namely the parts that I quoted from the studies.
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Old 01.01.2016, 16:01
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The only people I groan or neg rep are those who I genuinely believe deserve it. You couldn't actually prove any evidence of me engaging in serial groaning or neg repping if you tried, simply because I only do it is I genuinely believe a post is groanworthy. The vast majority of yours just happen to be those kinds of posts, and please rest assured that this is my honest opinion.

PS: Read the article, namely the parts that I quoted from the studies.
If you look at my record how often I groan and bad rep people, even they spread utter gibberish, is very low. However, when I see the uninformed post, like a gem amongst other stones, it really pisses me off. How often do you go or have you been to Dubai to voice your first hand opinion on standards and politics?
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Old 01.01.2016, 18:02
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Well, looks like the New Year is off to a good start. Richdog and jacek carrying on as usual. How about a New Year's resolution for you both. Try not to argue with each other for the whole of 2016. Now there's a mammoth goal to achieve. Give it a try, you might find you actually enjoy it.
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Well, looks like the New Year is off to a good start. Richdog and jacek carrying on as usual. How about a New Year's resolution for you both. Try not to argue with each other for the whole of 2016. Now there's a mammoth goal to achieve. Give it a try, you might find you actually enjoy it.
Aw, just as it was starting to get interesting...
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Re: Towering Inferno in Dubai.

I hear from a friend of mine on holiday in Dub now that the fire has restarted and it's out of reach of the firefighters .. could get more interesting.
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i see repeating pattern from other threads:

1 - it is not allowed to disagree with richdog
2 - who ever disagrees with him, is groaned at
3 - who ever disagrees and is not native english speaker is told that he / she cannot understand fully due to that fact.
4 - and make sure to publicly humiliate/insult them

yap, richdog - you are always right and know everything, you also are ef police.


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Old 02.01.2016, 21:49
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Re: Towering Inferno in Dubai.

British guy had to carry his mother down from the 15th floor. Said they didn't hear any fire alarms.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-35209584
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British guy had to carry his mother down from the 15th floor. Said they didn't hear any fire alarms.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-35209584
what a son!

Imagine if you had 3 kids and 1 pair of arms or the like
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what a son!

Imagine if you had 3 kids and 1 pair of arms or the like
That's easy enough, one on the back and one in each arm. The problem comes when you also have a disabled partner and/or grandparent/s to help as well!

But people never learn, the race for the sky takes precedence over safety every time. What surprises me is that no one seems to be designing fire fighting equipment that can reach higher than 15/20 storeys. Surely after all these years someone would have realised they're not going to stop building huge skyscrapers and come up with something else to help fight fires in the upper levels. Other than dropping water from a helicopter above the building I don't know of any way to tackle a fire in the upper storeys of a skyscraper.
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Old 03.01.2016, 10:38
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But people never learn, the race for the sky takes precedence over safety every time.
Hardly true. A massive fire. No one was killed and only a few were hurt.

That's a safe design.
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That's easy enough, one on the back and one in each arm. The problem comes when you also have a disabled partner and/or grandparent/s to help as well!

But people never learn, the race for the sky takes precedence over safety every time. What surprises me is that no one seems to be designing fire fighting equipment that can reach higher than 15/20 storeys. Surely after all these years someone would have realised they're not going to stop building huge skyscrapers and come up with something else to help fight fires in the upper levels. Other than dropping water from a helicopter above the building I don't know of any way to tackle a fire in the upper storeys of a skyscraper.
I assume the basic problem is the ability to pump water ever higher.
Suction pumps have a maximum spray height of 10 meters.

To reach the top of the Address hotel (300 metres) you would need a pressure pump that would work at a pressure of 30 atmospheres with the consequence you would need to find a hose material that would both withstand this pressure and still be flexible.
Another difficulty would be to keep the water spray tight so it was useful when it arrived not widely spread out in a cloud of tiny drops.

Inside the hotel they get around this by having a series of pumps and reservoirs so the water gets lifted in stages.
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Hardly true. A massive fire. No one was killed and only a few were hurt.

That's a safe design.
There was no fire alarm on the 15th floor at least so hardly that safe. Still I was thinking more on the height side than anything else. Why this need to build higher and higher, even though you know if there's a fire it's going to be difficult to deal with. Firefighters have been saying for decades that it's dangerous as they can't reach most of the building to deal with a fire if it's above 15 storeys.

And concerns have been raised over the outer cladding on many of the hotels in the region.

http://news.yahoo.com/dubai-blaze-ra...--finance.html#

What we don't know is how many people were actually in the hotel at the time. Many may have been outside to watch the fireworks.
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It's such a shame that the whole building has burnt down. It's was still burning, so I heard from my friends down there, who had terrible nightmares after the events from last night. However they had decided to continue with fireworks ...

Dubai seeks cause of massive hotel fire at New Year
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35209029

while the building IS damaged


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/g...ough-40-floors


it has NOT burnt down, and nobody got killed, and the evacuation worked well


that in a town which was at 100'000 inhabitants in 1990 and now is at some 3 millions, some things go wrong and out of control is however hardly surprising
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Disco inferno - burn, baby, burn!

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There was no fire alarm on the 15th floor at least so hardly that safe. Still I was thinking more on the height side than anything else. Why this need to build higher and higher, even though you know if there's a fire it's going to be difficult to deal with. Firefighters have been saying for decades that it's dangerous as they can't reach most of the building to deal with a fire if it's above 15 storeys.

And concerns have been raised over the outer cladding on many of the hotels in the region.

http://news.yahoo.com/dubai-blaze-ra...--finance.html#

What we don't know is how many people were actually in the hotel at the time. Many may have been outside to watch the fireworks.
Planning permission wasn't granted for a residential building due to height in one of the towns I lived, in a fire they didn't have the right truck to reach the top. They said they would need a new higher truck and it wasn't worth it for 1 building.

Now that area was nuts on planning reg, lots of other places seem to not be so stringent.

Have to admit being in my first swiss new flat and there being no smoke alarms, sprinklers really anything for fire safety is a bit of an odd one to me, I assume though since there isn't anything that there isn't a big issue with people dying in fires?
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To reach the top of the Address hotel (300 metres) you would need a pressure pump that would work at a pressure of 30 atmospheres with the consequence you would need to find a hose material that would both withstand this pressure and still be flexible.
I assume at this kind of height the easiest is to spray water from a helicopter, so the design flaw would be that the buildings are too close together. Usually, a sprinkler system fitted to the building is enough to put out fires.

As for having to carry people down the stairs ... I don't know any fire escapes which aren't based on a simple staircase, so anyone disabled should pick rooms close to ground level.
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I assume at this kind of height the easiest is to spray water from a helicopter, so the design flaw would be that the buildings are too close together. Usually, a sprinkler system fitted to the building is enough to put out fires.

As for having to carry people down the stairs ... I don't know any fire escapes which aren't based on a simple staircase, so anyone disabled should pick rooms close to ground level.
Statement from the New York fire department "It is simply unsafe to use helicopters to suppress high-rise fires in New York City, and the Fire Department has repeatedly rejected that idea due to many operational concerns"
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As for having to carry people down the stairs ... I don't know any fire escapes which aren't based on a simple staircase, so anyone disabled should pick rooms close to ground level.
a few flights most can handle but 40? 60? Many would be struggling no?

Or am I the only wimp on the forum?
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