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I think during the carnival season the people of Cologne & Hamburg etc should dress in Burqas and go about groping young Arab looking men, especially between their legs.

Introducing many illegal migrants without checks, gropping/rapping European women, robbing people, throwing fireworks are people face...all that is ok and acceptable (in Europe).

But that is a bit over the line!

Leave those male migrants alone!

PS: is that some kind of fantasy? I would not be surprised if you could do that legally in some "private clubs" (it's Germany after all...)
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The Merkelites are pushing to change laws for faster deportation. Obvious attempt to assuage the rude awakenings. But how could it work if they don't know where to deport them to, and if they would be accepted back? Are people buying Merkel's "tough stance" performance?
Merkel's words are empty and meaningless, but they are buying her time.

Germans tend to place a lot of trust in their leadership. You don't get the high levels of gubmint bashing you get in the US or the between the teeth cynical contempt you see in Britain. They tend to believe what they are told and will trust those who they feel are their superiors almost blindly. In Germany there is an offence called Beamtenbeileidigung and this is taken seriously. You cannot insult somebody working for the government. And most Germans think this is a good law, as they think the government is mostly right. This is part of the reason a lot of people are so suspicious of Pegida. At some point this will change of course as the goodwill wears thin, and Merkel's actions are a catalyst of that. But it takes time.
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Old 13.01.2016, 11:58
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Are critical and analytical dialogues considered offensive?

How far down the road do they look? At this rate, Germany is looking at permanent criminal underclass they can't remove from the country. They may have to build a penitentiary system to accommodate them. It would be a prison system like that of the US, where the majority are minorities, yet more radicalized.
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Are critical and analytical dialogues considered offensive?
Not as a rule. There are plenty of mavericks among Germany's intellectuals. But I think in the mainstream they aren't given much oxygen or talking space.

Ther Greens were pretty much ridiculed during their early years and well into the 1980s, and they were only really accepted into the mainstream when they calmed down and toned down.

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How far down the road do they look? At this rate, Germany is looking at permanent criminal underclass they can't remove from the country. They may have to build a penitentiary system to accommodate them. It would be a prison system like that of the US, where the majority are minorities, yet more radicalized.
I think this is German Exceptionalism. They don't loook at the experiences of France, Britain and the US but think Germany is different. These things would never happen to them.
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Old 13.01.2016, 12:11
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I think this is German Exceptionalism. They don't loook at the experiences of France, Britain and the US but think Germany is different. These things would never happen to them.

On the contrary, I think Germany has suffered from too much US envy. I think even Adolf had aspirations to be more like the US in their Lebensraum endeavor. Even the EU is somewhat an attempt to mimic US-ness. But somehow perhaps have not considered the downside. The US has a prison-industrial complex, and Germany seems to be headed that way if they can't change course.

One would think they would know to be careful what they wish for.
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On the contrary, I think Germany has suffered from too much US envy. I think even Adolf had aspirations to be more like the US in their Lebensraum endeavor. Even the EU is somewhat an attempt to mimic US-ness. But somehow perhaps have not considered the downside. The US has a prison-industrial complex, and Germany seems to be headed that way if they can't change course.

One would think they would know to be careful what they wish for.
I think France maybe is in the EU out of US envy. But not Germany. After WW2 the very thought of territorial imperialism is banished from their thinking.
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I think France maybe is in the EU out of US envy. But not Germany. After WW2 the very thought of territorial imperialism is banished from their thinking.
Maybe not so much for imperialism, but the vastness of resources and the dynamics of possibilities. I think they believe they are replenishing their population with new citizens.
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Old 13.01.2016, 12:25
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The Merkelites are pushing to change laws for faster deportation. Obvious attempt to assuage the rude awakenings. But how could it work if they don't know where to deport them to, and if they would be accepted back? Are people buying Merkel's "tough stance" performance?
Merkel is just giving some lip-service to placate the outraged majority of Germans who all agree that what happened in Köln is "unacceptable". "Speeding up deportations" sounds good, but is meaningless when deporting people back to a war-zone isn't allowed. In reality, nothing has changed, except for Merkel flapping her lips, and maybe some gullible Germans being comforted temporarily by the warm air coming out of her mouth. Merkel hasn't changed course, the problem will continue.
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

Deportation doesn't work well other than in isolated cases because the news of impending deportation almost always leaks to future deportees causing them to flee :

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-1...now-where-they

Simply put Merkel has to go and this whole crazy policy has to be reversed.
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

I think the same as the US cannot happen in Germany. In the US with the school-to-prison pipeline and mandatory sentencing young people is initiated to the criminal underworld inside the prison, where there are corruption, prison gangs, etc. This perpetuates the same patterns of criminality through the generations. I don't think I need to mention the demented approach to drug addiction, which plays a major role. In europe the education system is better and the opportunities to get out are plenty, young people don't get caught into drugs as much either. Also foreigners could always be expelled, I believe that if there really is a rise in crime no one will have a problem with expulsions, especially for sexual crimes.
edit: the refugees might flee before deportation but eventually they will go back by themselves because you can't do anything nowadays without being a resident, or keep a very low profile if they can work with the family or something.
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I think the same as the US cannot happen in Germany. In the US with the school-to-prison pipeline and mandatory sentencing young people is initiated to the criminal underworld inside the prison, where there are corruption, prison gangs, etc. This perpetuates the same patterns of criminality through the generations. I don't think I need to mention the demented approach to drug addiction, which plays a major role. In europe the education system is better and the opportunities to get out are plenty, young people don't get caught into drugs as much either. Also foreigners could always be expelled, I believe that if there really is a rise in crime no one will have a problem with expulsions, especially for sexual crimes.
But expulsions to where? I don't think criminality is based purely on the societal systems around it. Sure, they can change definitions of crimes and tolerate pettier things, but a criminal will still commit the same crimes. In other words, I don't think it is up to the state, when committing a crime is at the sole discretion of the criminal.
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

I think the Syrian Refugees in Germany should start to organise themselves into associations to stop themselves being used as a political football by all sides. They need to speak with one voice e.g. against the attacks in Cologne, educate their young men and perhaps even go a step further. Train up and mobilise volunteers to patrol major events (wearing tabards or T-shirts so they are easily identified) and working hand-in-hand with the police, provide visible security to event goers. That's something positive that they could do.
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I think the Syrian Refugees in Germany should start to organise themselves into associations to stop themselves being used as a political football by all sides. They need to speak with one voice e.g. against the attacks in Cologne, educate their young men and perhaps even go a step further. Train up and mobilise volunteers to patrol major events (wearing tabards or T-shirts so they are easily identified) and working hand-in-hand with the police, provide visible security to event goers. That's something positive that they could do.
...or they could start to learn to respect the laws of their new country and use the system to help them that is already in place.

Hordes of organized foreigners roaming around Germany in matching t-shirts doesn't sound like the kind of "integration" that anyone is really hoping for
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...or they could start to learn to respect the laws of their new country and use the system to help them that is already in place.

Hordes of organized foreigners roaming around Germany in matching t-shirts doesn't sound like the kind of "integration" that anyone is really hoping for
No it was a great idea! they should all wear some yellow armbands so they are easily recognized in Germany and...

Erm, ok maybe we should stick to the point that it's not a great idea after all...


They should not be "released" in the society until they are fully capable to integrate or contribute to the society. Meaning "(Integration Camps" (Ohhh! CAMPS, what a bad word!) where they could learn the basic language, have various trainings, already contribute by doing specific tasks, have their identity and background checked, and being observed for a while to spot the deviants....

These camps would also serve others by providing them the ability to actually do something for the refugees such as providing specific trainings. As for the finances (money matters...) they could be funded by:
1) Government, a little bit
2) Associations (for once the money would be useful as opposed to serve paying high salaries to their managers)
3)The migrants themselves, signing some "contract" that a small percent of their future pay(s) will be punctuated
4) Last but not least by the citizen who have voted for the government accepting these migrants without limits or by the one voluntarily accepting a small "social taxe"*.
*funny enough at this point the difference between the one saying we should welcome migrants at all costs and the one actually paying for them will be significant. It will be some reality check that yes, welcoming these migrants is a financial burden for everyone in that society.


But let's stop here, it will never happen and the government are perfectly happy to only talk about it and do nothing. After all they will not risk being raped in the street because:
1) Their leader, Merkel is damn scary
2) They are using your money to get high protection
3) They are using your money to live in fancy protected place.

That's all, move on, life as usual.
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They were given medals of honour by Merkel.

http://www.giessener-anzeiger.de/wir...s_14030571.htm
Seriously now, I am rather concerned about this neonazi fear mongering in the media while the extremists from the other end of the spectrum are usually seen by the media as some sort of enfants terribles, idealistic sort, maybe a lil' bit naughty but fighting for good, youth idealism causes.....whereas they are absolutely no better and usually their protests end up in massive hooliganism for the most silly causes.
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Seriously now, I am rather concerned about this neonazi fear mongering in the media while the extremists from the other end of the spectrum are usually seen by the media as some sort of enfants terribles, idealistic sort, maybe a lil' bit naughty but fighting for good, youth idealism causes.....whereas they are absolutely no better and usually their protests end up in massive hooliganism for the most silly causes.
I think thzey are more than enfants terribles.

The government actually uses them and fosters them for doing the stuff official police could never get away with, such as violently attacking protestors.

The antefas get government support. To me this has unholy echoes of the brown shirts attacking Jews while the government looked the other way while nodding approvingly.

http://info.kopp-verlag.de/hintergru...ergeldern.html

http://www.taz.de/!5134446/

https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deu...er-die-antifa/
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They need to... Train up and mobilise volunteers to patrol major events (wearing tabards or T-shirts so they are easily identified) and working hand-in-hand with the police, provide visible security to event goers. That's something positive that they could do.
LOL, never let it be said that you don't have a sense of humour!
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

It is a pity the powerful German state cannot provide separate women-only and families-only shelters to curtail the widely reported abuse INSIDE the refugee shelters.
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LOL, never let it be said that you don't have a sense of humour!
They should be MODS patrolling the street.
So that they can tell off the migrants putting their hands in the women's pants* and ban these women from "drive by groaning".

*maybe even applying some temporary ban of the streets.

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It is a pity the powerful German state cannot provide separate women-only and families-only shelters to curtail the widely reported abuse INSIDE the refugee shelters.
God (=Merkel) forbid.

That would be to admit there is a problem.

German leftists believe that if you believe and repeat something hard enough it will become true. For example:

- all refugees are doctors and engineers
- no Syrian passport is fake
- all refugees are trying their best to integrate
- the population are welcoming them unanimously
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