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Old 06.01.2016, 10:31
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

Interesting how the blame is shifted to the Police and even the girls who are molested. Geesh, even Merkel blames everybody but herself.

Wow, that was easy to solve.

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Interesting how the blame is shifted to the Police and even the girls who are molested
Phos, you always seem to construct your own narrative and then conveniently fit whatever scraps you can find to support it. What exactly has the mayor said that would lead you to think that she is blaming the victims?

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The suggested code of conduct includes maintaining an arm’s length distance from strangers, to stick within your own group, to ask bystanders for help or to intervene as a witness, or to inform the police if you are the victim of such an assault.
This all sounds like common sense to me, its not like she condescendingly asked them to watch what they wear or cover their heads with wooly hats.
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:00
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Ah, so its the Germans who should adjust their behavior? Tragically hilarious.
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:08
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For all I care, the police could have drained their magazines and killed each and everyone of the 1000 idiots. The culprits can misbehave all they want in their backwards, rat-infested countries but they have no right to be here, if they choose to engage in such antisocial behavior.
Dude, you serious? Are you really saying that police should have executed all of 1000 people, because some of them may have sexually assaulted women? Should they have executed all arab-looking ones in front of the railway station, or what are you really saying?
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

Yeah, Castro, denying what is really happening will help a lot, thank you very much. Maybe the mayor didn't say it directly, but via the schools who sent letters to families requesting a "modest" dress code for girls.

https://www.google.ch/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=...ode+immigrants

https://www.google.ch/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=...dress+modestly

If these people with their mentality are going to reach a boardroom level of employment in the next decade or so, think what will happen to the female workforce.

I'm going into burkas and nikabs business, I bet in a couple of years I'll be rich, seeing how strongly the local population protects their ways of life.
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:17
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

Someone appears to have posted a bomb to Merkel. If this is true, my money would be on it being an upset Fritz rather than an Islamic terrorist.

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And the reaction from the Mayor of Cologne? Women should have a "code of conduct" to prevent further assault. See the hashtag #einearmlaenge to see how well this has gone down. Are German politicians deliberately this out of touch?
This major was stabbed in the throat (!) by a right winged extremist two months ago and knows more about assaults than any of us here.

There, I will spell out the (for me) obvious: Sexual assault is more common than you think. It's not some Arabian cultural issue, but happens easily as often on the most German occasions imaginable, from the Oktoberfest all the way to the Cologne Carnival. It usually has to do with young men as well as women drinking too much... and that's what happened here. What is new is the sheer number and aggressiveness of last weeks events. And the other worrying thing is that the sexual assaults were clearly used as distraction to steal wallets and phones. Not all the 90 cases can be explained with it, but more than half. That's just a disgusting approach, even for criminals.

On a much smaller scale has this apparently been a known issue in the local clubbing scene. A guy starts to dance very closely to a girl and touches her. She is so irritated that she won't recognize a second one stealing her stuff - that's what the major was referring to with her "arms length" comment.
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:30
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This major was stabbed in the throat (!) by a right winged extremist two months ago and knows more about assaults than any of us here.

There, I will spell out the (for me) obvious: Sexual assault is more common than you think. It's not some Arabian cultural issue, but happens easily as often on the most German occasions imaginable, from the Oktoberfest all the way to the Cologne Carnival. It usually has to do with young men as well as women drinking too much... and that's what happened here. What is new is the sheer number and aggressiveness of last weeks events. And the other worrying thing is that the sexual assaults were clearly used as distraction to steal wallets and phones. Not all the 90 cases can be explained with it, but more than half. That's just a disgusting approach, even for criminals.

On a much smaller scale has this apparently been a known issue in the local clubbing scene. A guy starts to dance very closely to a girl and touches her. She is so irritated that she won't recognize a second one stealing her stuff - that's what the major was referring to with her "arms length" comment.
Yes, yes, we know these things do happen. There's stories of rapes of "kidnapped" girls on the back of carnival floats by masked men etc. But it's the brazen coordinated attack by a large group of men in a public area from a particular racial background that is unprecedented. This is a whole different ball game and can't be compared with isolated assaults or rapes.
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:31
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If these people with their mentality are going to reach a boardroom level of employment in the next decade or so, think what will happen to the female workforce.
I don't think they can be that much worse than some European managers already are.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...erman-salesmen
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:39
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Re: Arab gang assaults in Germany

I suspect this is just the beginning. The real victim here is the sense of feeling safe for women to travel alone at night through train stations. That makes for a pretty nasty atmosphere. Oh, but yeah, go ahead and argue about how that can't be quantified anyway.

Shall we all just agree it never happened? The German media censorship setup cracked this time. There have been rumours of intentional and systematic under-reporting of immigrant related crimes. Oh well, they did it to themselves.

Of course none of this was unpredictable. We have yet to reach a summer of discontent.
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:43
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Ah, so its the Germans who should adjust their behavior? Tragically hilarious.
Being street smart is adjusting your behaviour?? I think there are just too many people with agendas, desperately looking for anything to support those e.g. refugees out
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Old 06.01.2016, 11:51
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Being street smart is adjusting your behaviour?? I think there are just too many people with agendas, desperately looking for anything to support those e.g. refugees out

Its a bit of a subterfuge to distract from an issue that is quickly arising in German society. The problem is not the German cultural mindset, but from marauding swarms of young males who may not respect rights of individuals when they overwhelmingly outnumber them in a dark alley.

So there will be changes to the German mindset, just out of intelligence and self-preservation. They will be compelled to be more street smart, regardless of what a politician says. However anyone chooses to narrate what is taking places, it is pretty clear to see what is taking place.
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Dude, you serious? Are you really saying that police should have executed all of 1000 people, because some of them may have sexually assaulted women? Should they have executed all arab-looking ones in front of the railway station, or what are you really saying?
Some of them? Over 90 reports have been filed by women who have been groped, stripped of their clothes and in one instance even raped. There is absolutely no place in society for such behavior. The police should have acted accordingly and taken control of the situation, rather than letting it get out of hand. I don't condone any violence against anybody but we cannot negate the fact, that the incidents occurred in Germany mark an unprecedented level of organized criminal activities, where the police was completely overwhelmed. The fact that the culprits are young, male and of a different cultural background cannot and should not be linked to the Syrian refugees or any other possible nefarious organization but rather a prime example of the grave faillure of the European intergation model.
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Being street smart is adjusting your behaviour?? I think there are just too many people with agendas, desperately looking for anything to support those e.g. refugees out
I don't know or care about agendas, but it is a huge difference between being a one-time target in a crowd or even by oneself (i.e. pickpocketing), to being vigilant day in and day out for fear of physical assaults. Being street smart has nothing to do with it.
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Old 06.01.2016, 12:27
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Bemused how the situation can be attributed to and blamed on just about all kinds of things; Police inefficiency, Naivete, German female behavior, raging hormones, anti-Refugee conspiracy, history, etc. Everything except the actual culprits and their crimes. Oh, because we can't name that, could we? That would be racist and bigoted.

It is no wonder the Germans are helpless about this situation. Well, they can't really expect any progress on these until they identify what it was, and they are not allowed to say what they think it was for now.

My bet is the Germans eventually sober up and realize how they are being gamed.
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There, I will spell out the (for me) obvious: Sexual assault is more common than you think. It's not some Arabian cultural issue, but happens easily as often on the most German occasions imaginable, from the Oktoberfest all the way to the Cologne Carnival.
Yes but it's a lot more common amongst certain immigrant groups:
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According to crime victim surveys from the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ), the actual rate of sex crimes has been more or less unchanged in Sweden between 2005 and 2014, despite the fact that immigration has increased during the same time period. Two reports from the BRÅ are relevant to the rate of rape among immigrants to Sweden and their descendants. The latest published report that indicates the association between immigrants and rape was published in 2005 and revealed that foreign born individuals were 5.5 times more likely to be charged of rape than individuals born in Sweden to two Swedish parents.[36][37] Unfortunately the report doesn't break down the foreign born category by country of origin despite the fact that country of origin has been found to be highly predictive of crime rates in other Nordic countries.[38]. Although an even earlier report published in 1996 by the BRÅ did break down rate of rape convictions by country of origin. It found that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.[36][18]
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Erm...8 have been detained.


I think you need a follow up question:


"Will people assume all 1000 were refugees, despite there not being any evidence that the any of the suspects were in fact, refugees?"


You only need one response.


Interestingly, all 8 were known to police - suggesting they were not newly arrived refugees but people who had been here for a while - ie, unrelated to the current refugee crisis.


But, as sad as it is, the refugees will be the ones who pay for this.
Actually the German sources use the word Flüchtling which is ambiguous as it can also mean fugitive.

Anybody being sought by the police and not yet apprehended is a fugitive.

This will give them a back door further down the road to explain they were misunderstood.
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Also, not allowing alcohol might help.
You know Kölnisch Wasser is not for drinking, right?
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My bet is the Germans eventually sober up and realize how they are being gamed.
People all agree by the "being gamed" part, but disagree as to "by whom" they are being gamed.

For example: You think that Germany is being gamed by a racial group and I think that you are gaming this thread.
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People all agree by the "being gamed" part, but disagree as to "by whom" they are being gamed.
Not necessarily. In situations like this there are often two questions that are interrelated but neverthless separate.

1) what's the problem?
2) whose fault is it?

You don't always need to agree on (2) to do something about (1)

Problems of type (2) are typically solved at elections.
Problems of type (1) need to be solved quicker than that, but in this case the people who are the answer to (2) are preventing a solution to (1)
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