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Since actual Syrian refugees are a minority of the overall refugees, and educated people with diplomas would be a minority within that group, we can agree that the overwhelming majority of the 80% young men aged 18-30 coming into Germany are uneducated people who are prone to sexual violence. This would indeed explain the rash of rapes and sexual violence towards women in Germany, Sweden, etc..
With a lot of "ifs" you could make Paris fit in a bottle (or f wishes were fishes we'd all cast nets). According to BBC & Eurostat in Jan-Oct 2015 most of refugees were Syrians.
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Turkey has a lot of womens rights issues, it's not only rape of honor killings that matter.
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Erdogan is, of course, a devout Muslim.
_women rights issues: if we are talking in a much broader sense of "rights issues" then I'd claim that most countries have "issues". They are of different nature but they are important issues for women. Discrimination at workplace for instance in Europe (salary, promotion, recruitment, pension plan, etc....). I don't count the number of times I heard offensive remarks about women in european offices of companies. You could also look at abortion in the US....it's also an issue.

_Erdogan is a devout muslim...he is probably even member of the Muslim Brotherhood organization. Unfortunately he's been democratically elected in Turkey and he is useful to European politicians regarding the refugee crisis (he got a few billions € to keep them in Turkey). My question is whether someone who is a "devout muslim" is a problem for you in general?
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My question is whether someone who is a "devout muslim" is a problem for you in general?
It seems to be a big problem in Algerian culture - being a devout Muslim would be a serious health risk. Devout Muslims with political aspirations are the biggest cause for the mess which caused the refugee problem.
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_women rights issues: if we are talking in a much broader sense of "rights issues" then I'd claim that most countries have "issues". They are of different nature but they are important issues for women. Discrimination at workplace for instance in Europe (salary, promotion, recruitment, pension plan, etc....). I don't count the number of times I heard offensive remarks about women in european offices of companies. You could also look at abortion in the US....it's also an issue.

_Erdogan is a devout muslim...he is probably even member of the Muslim Brotherhood organization. Unfortunately he's been democratically elected in Turkey and he is useful to European politicians regarding the refugee crisis (he got a few billions € to promise to keep them in Turkey). My question is whether someone who is a "devout muslim" is a problem for you in general?
Fixed that for you

Erdogan was just taking the p*ss; he took billions from the EU without promising or delivering anything.
He was just demonstrating how he could fool the EU and take 3 billion for nothing in return.
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With a lot of "ifs" you could make Paris fit in a bottle (or f wishes were fishes we'd all cast nets). According to BBC & Eurostat in Jan-Oct 2015 most of refugees were Syrians.
Syrians are 20% of the total asylum seekers, that's a minority, isn't it?
...and the totals at that point were around 300-500k, it's now well over 1 million, so who knows the reality. Plus once they filter out all the people claiming to be Syrian but really aren't, the number will go even lower

And where's the statistics about how many are educated and possessing higher degrees of education?
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The western German city of Bornheim has banned male asylum seekers older than 18 from using the city's swimming pool. Officials said the decision was made after consecutive cases of sexual assaults at the city-run swimming pool. The city's head of social affairs, Markus Schnapka, confirmed that decision, according to German media reports.


According to regional public broadcaster WDR, Schnapka had communicated the city's decision personally during a visit to the local refugee center. The city is now planning to hold meetings with individuals as well as group sessions to discuss issues such as respect for women, as well as recent assaults. Other reports of assaults in public swimming pools emerged from other German cities, including Munich.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...xual-assaults/

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Syrians are 20% of the total asylum seekers, that's a minority, isn't it?
...and the totals at that point were around 300-500k, it's now well over 1 million, so who knows the reality. Plus once they filter out all the people claiming to be Syrian but really aren't, the number will go even lower

And where's the statistics about how many are educated and possessing higher degrees of education?
If you remove Albanian, Kosovar, Serbian, Ukrainian (who are easier to identify as non-syrian and as economical refugees) , I think you get easily to a majority of Syrian as genuine refugees.

According to a UNHCR survey in Greece, they interviewed 1200 syrians and 86% had a secondary or university degree. 1200 is a small sample but it's far better than speculations here based on opinions/prejudice and not data.
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_Erdogan is a devout muslim...he is probably even member of the Muslim Brotherhood organization. Unfortunately he's been democratically elected in Turkey and he is useful to European politicians regarding the refugee crisis (he got a few billions € to keep them in Turkey). My question is whether someone who is a "devout muslim" is a problem for you in general?
Utterly regardless of faith, Erdogan is a megalomaniac. Luckily for the rest of us, he's more of a threat to his own people than anyone else...for the moment. Democratically elected you say? There's a few million Turks who would disagree with you on that score.
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If you remove Albanian, Kosovar, Serbian, Ukrainian (who are easier to identify as non-syrian and as economical refugees) , I think you get easily to a majority of Syrian as genuine refugees.

According to a UNHCR survey in Greece, they interviewed 1200 syrians and 86% had a secondary or university degree. 1200 is a small sample but it's far better than speculations here based on opinions/prejudice and not data.
That's an amazing survey. 81% with a degree. 90% who had stayed in a third country on their way had lived in private accommodation rather than refugee camps, the primary reason for moving for all was better job opportunities and better educational opportunities and Germany was the wanted destination because it had the highest job and educational opportunities:

Which is admirable in terms of self progression but looking at it from end to end means these are economic jobseekers, not refugees surely ?
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It seems that most of the Köln offenders were North African Arabs (Algerians and Moroccans) which raises a few questions:
1. Why are they in Europe as refugees ?
2. Why are they more likely to commit such crimes ?
3. Will they be sent back ?
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1. Why are they in Europe as refugees ?
2. Why are they more likely to commit such crimes ?
3. Will they be sent back ?
1. From the article it seems they are not recognised refugees, maybe they tried to disguise as syrians, but they have difficulties expelling them due to morocco and algeria being overly bureaucratic.
2. I think these are mostly "bad apple" young men that try this route and disguise as syrians or try to live as clandestines. In north africa the people is usually friendly and respectful especially in non-touristic areas. In italy there are some like this too but those immigrated legally often work hard, open up shops and help themselves without asking for handouts.
3. They prolly prefer running away and live as irregulars, and when they catch them they can't send them back due to point 1.
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_women rights issues: if we are talking in a much broader sense of "rights issues" then I'd claim that most countries have "issues". They are of different nature but they are important issues for women. Discrimination at workplace for instance in Europe (salary, promotion, recruitment, pension plan, etc....). I don't count the number of times I heard offensive remarks about women in european offices of companies. You could also look at abortion in the US....it's also an issue.

_Erdogan is a devout muslim...he is probably even member of the Muslim Brotherhood organization. Unfortunately he's been democratically elected in Turkey and he is useful to European politicians regarding the refugee crisis (he got a few billions € to keep them in Turkey). My question is whether someone who is a "devout muslim" is a problem for you in general?
Of course othe countriesnhsve womens right issues, you are indeed a master of stating the obvious. However, if you can't see (or at least aren't willing to acknowledge) the clear differences in the varying degrees of this discrimination betwen the countries and cultures then I guess there's no point discussing it further.
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Richdog, it might help if you weren't so condescending in your replies.
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Richdog, it might help if you weren't so condescending in your replies.
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Utterly regardless of faith, Erdogan is a megalomaniac. Luckily for the rest of us, he's more of a threat to his own people than anyone else...for the moment. Democratically elected you say? There's a few million Turks who would disagree with you on that score.
About "There's a few million Turks who would disagree with you on that score." Probably also a few Kurds; I mean the politically active ones who have not yet been jailed on one pretext or another. If all else fails insulting Erdogan (like, for example, telling the truth) will get you five years inside!
It is a country where murderers go free and you get 5 years in jail for writing the wrong sentence in Twitter.

He continues to make a fool of the EU so he can't be all bad
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It is a country where murderers go free and you get 5 years in jail for writing the wrong sentence in Twitter.

He continues to make a fool of the EU so he can't be all bad
And the Americans.
Do you remember all the pressure GWB's administration tried to put on the E.U. to admit Turkey as a member country?

I'd only been in Istanbul for a couple of hours when I was advised by a hotel manager to not discuss politics in a public place because the country is so split. This was sparked by me noticing a framed photo of Bill Clinton at the hotel on the wall of the hotel lounge.
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Of course othe countriesnhsve womens right issues, you are indeed a master of stating the obvious. However, if you can't see (or at least aren't willing to acknowledge) the clear differences in the varying degrees of this discrimination betwen the countries and cultures then I guess there's no point discussing it further.
It seems that stating the obvious wasn't enough: reread my post and I clearly stated that "women rights issue" are of "different nature" in "different countries" hence admitting the clear differences and degrees of discrimination.

I gave you 3 examples of muslim countries that are more advanced and totally different to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan in terms of women rights but certainly not up to the western standard (which is unfortunately more of an exception than the norm in the rest of the world) but I suspect that you prefer to put all muslim countries in the same basket for the sake of your argumentation.

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I agree with Castro, you have a recurrent pattern on this forum: you seem to be a smart person in general but come across sometimes as very haughty especially if you want to escape from a debate or when your source of arguments runs dry. Usual tactic is to tell your gainsayers that they are too stupid to understand your logic and superior intelligence.

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I think it may help you grow, reach happiness and focus instead your energy and intelligence on positivity. Some people in EF who claim to know you in real life describe you as a very nice person....let that side of yourself speak in EF.
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So even in the most advanced Arab countries it takes a university degree to know that rape is wrong ? There is no point in comparing human rights in general and Women rights in particular in western and Arab countries. It's shame that it took the mass assaults in Germany to bring this to attention.

@Richdog - please avoid pointing out the major problems the Arab & Muslim world has, especially if they can't be blamed on the west. otherwise you will be considered "Haughty" and even an "Orientalist". As we learned from the Arab spring - the Arab world is has moved on from Dictatorships to Democracy. yippee.
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