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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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"A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom." --Suzanne Evans UKIP
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What if the percentage was a little over 55?
The thing is, despite all the effort and lies, it was not.
What a strange argument to bring into this discussion....
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

All I see from various sources is talk of how the Leave voters were misled by politicians and the media etc, along with some really unwarranted remarks about Leave voters being stupid/ignorant/racist/whatever. In reality, the reason why Euroscepticism even exists in the first place is because Brussels seems utterly incapable of coming to any sort of meaningful compromise.

For example, it is clear that, rightly or wrongly, immigration is a big issue for many people, yet the EU continues to insist that free movement is non-negotiable. Combine that stubbornness with a needlessly confusing and undemocratic structure that provides little power to citizens, and you have growing Euroscepticism.

The EU is reaping the consequences of its refusal to be pragmatic when it ignores the views of its citizens in pursuit of an ideology which even today Merkel still refers to as 'the European unification process'.
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All I see from various sources is talk of how the Leave voters were misled by politicians and the media etc, along with some really unwarranted remarks about Leave voters being stupid/ignorant/racist/whatever. In reality, the reason why Euroscepticism even exists in the first place is because Brussels seems utterly incapable of coming to any sort of meaningful compromise.

For example, it is clear that, rightly or wrongly, immigration is a big issue for many people, yet the EU continues to insist that free movement is non-negotiable. Combine that stubbornness with a needlessly confusing and undemocratic structure that provides little power to citizens, and you have growing Euroscepticism.

The EU is reaping the consequences of its refusal to be pragmatic when it ignores the views of its citizens in pursuit of an ideology which even today Merkel still refers to as 'the European unification process'.
Do you have any idea about what kind of treaties have been signed? Free movement is one of the freedoms each country has agreed upon when they joined EU.
Please let me guess: you are one of those..people, who sign a contract and then refuse to comply with because "it just ain't fair"...
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So Remainers are disturbed that 17.5 million other brits made a decision for them, but would have no qualms whatsoever about having 5 unknown men in Brussels making decisions for them?

There is something profoundly regressive and disturbed with those complaining about the results of this.

I'm sure there are other countries in the world they could move to where all decisions could be made for them. North Korea? Iran? Etc.? Free Movement Of People, right?
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At least we got props from this lot for our 'informed' decision

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I didn't this speech until now. worth a watch and states several arguments for brexit clearly.

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Thank you, I appreciate the link.

Unfortunately the FAQs are all answered with the same basic phrase: nothing will change for now (and nobody knows when "for now" will end).
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And I am tired of idiots like you. Or wankers, if you prefer. (that is describing you better, as a matter of fact)
I can accept the way you voted, but don't you dare to tell me it was an informed vote.
What a ridiculous, arrogant statement. Do you really believe that 17 million people were "uninformed" in their decision-making? That just because they didn't vote the way that you would have (had you been eligible or even remotely involved), they are all "uninformed"?

In my view those 17 million made the wrong decision, but they voted for what they saw as the better option for them, and I respect their right and competence to do so. Perhaps your view of the situation is coloured by your status as a citizen of one of the small, new EU states that is a net recipient of EU largesse, depending on the larger, wealthier members of the EU for handouts — one of the major gripes of the Brexit camp.
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What a ridiculous, arrogant statement. Do you really believe that 17 million people were "uninformed" in their decision-making? That just because they didn't vote the way that you would have (had you been eligible or even remotely involved), they are all "uninformed"?

In my view those 17 million made the wrong decision, but they voted for what they saw as the better option for them, and I respect their right and competence to do so. Perhaps your view of the situation is coloured by your status as a citizen of one of the small, new EU states that is a net recipient of EU largesse, depending on the larger, wealthier members of the EU for handouts — one of the major gripes of the Brexit camp.
My status has nothing to do with the way I perceive British politics (or any other place, as a matter of fact), thank you very much for the uncalled post.
I am a permanent resident of Switzerland (yes, starting with June this year) and that is it, regarding to this forum. Do you want to make it personal, again?
Please, as moderator of this forum - do not twist my words: I accept what people voted. Am I disappointed? Hell, yes. Do I think there are reasons for this result? Yes, and yes - pro-EU campaign was clearly insufficient, poorly done.
I am worried about what will happen with Europe/EU as a whole, much less with UK. I think I've seen enough sacrifices for this project so I can have a word about it.

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My status has nothing to do with the way I perceive British politics (or any other place, as a matter of fact), thank you very much for the uncalled post.
I am a permanent resident of Switzerland (yes, starting with June this year) and that is it, regarding to this forum. Do you want to make it personal, again?
Yes, your permanent residence has relevance to your participation in this forum. What has it to do with a British vote on membership of the EU?

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And I am tired of idiots like you. Or wankers, if you prefer. (that is describing you better, as a matter of fact)
... and for that second quote, please don't tell me "he started it".

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Dear 22yards, am I allowed to have a different opinion than you?
Anyway, thank you for being more respectful than in other situations. I really appreciate it.
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Dear 22yards, am I allowed to have a different opinion than you?
This is exactly your problem — you'd like to be "allowed to have a different opinion", but won't tolerate that in others! You dismiss anyone who has a contrary opinion re. Brexit as "uninformed" — that is plain arrogant, and wrong.

Read my posts more carefully. You will conclude that I share your opinion on the result of the Brexit referendum. I don't share your contempt and disdain for the Leave voters.
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This is exactly your problem — you'd like to be "allowed to have a different opinion", but won't tolerate that in others! You dismiss anyone who has a contrary opinion re. Brexit as "uninformed" — that is plain arrogant, and wrong.

Read my posts more carefully. You will conclude that I share your opinion on the result of the Brexit referendum. I don't share your contempt and disdain for the Leave voters.
Oh no, I do tolerate it. Otherwise I wouldn't be still here. Unfortunately, EU is a project I believe(ed) in. Not for the reasons you think, though.
But hey, Brexit will make it stronger...
Just saw Marine Le Pen and all my worries are gone!
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Farage admits the Brexit campaign was based on a big lie:

https://youtu.be/cA3XTYfzd1I

EU want Britain out asap, so much for the 'they need us' argument:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...european-union

My two cents fwiw:
I blame the politicians and not the voters for Brexit, this was essentially a protest vote for everything. Also:
1. Labour for abandoning their voter base for decades. Corbyn for sleeping during the campaign and failing to show any enthusiasm for Remain. The arrogance of Blairite MPs who lost touch with their electorate e.g Keith Vaz
2. Cameron for leading an appalling Campaign and for leading a government which has cut expenditure causing such discontent
3. Farage for lying and stoking up hatred against immigrants
4. BoJo for his opportunism. He had that look of ' oh God what have I done' outside his door. I still don't think he believes in Brexit
5. The EU politicians for still not getting why there is dissatisfaction with the EU project nor do they seem willing to change

I know its easy to blame politicians but I think people are fed up and want politicians working for them. I think the demographic voting distributions say it all.

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I know its easy to blame politicians but I think people are fed up and want politicians working for them. I think the demographic voting distributions say it all.
Indeed, Throwing 100 Billion GBP out of the pram is a pretty clear indication of frustration.


I'm thinking that history will refer to this as "The Summer of Disillusion", or the first "major post factual democratic happening".
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At least we got props from this lot for our 'informed' decision

I may not like him, but I do have a bit of respect for Vlad - he doesn't take any shit, and he gets things done.

If the UK could hire him to head up the exit negotiations then I suspect the result would be significantly in the UK's favour.

Joking aside, I think this result is going to tear the UK apart, possibly to the extent of civil war. Yeah I know that sounds far fetched, but from where I'm sitting it's looking like the shit is still only in the ballistic phase, and has yet to impact with the fan.
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I have never seen the Guardian so full of dreariness and negativity as it is this morning. The odd well-thought out positive Brexit article popped up in the days/weeks before the referendum, so a fair deal of balance was delivered to go with the remain arguments.. but this morning?

It's got a little flavour of Fox news about it today..

Maybe the Guardian would like to see UK come to a grinding halt.

BTW, Rufus mentioned the missing Theresa May earlier this week. Where is she? Gone on holiday? She's not in my cellar, I checked
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