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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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I can see a lot of expats living on UK pensions looking for the exit door and relocating back to the UK.
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Do you truly believe the UK and Europe will wait till after recess to get answers- whilst PM and Ministers and MPs go off on their jollies - to Europe I suppose? Really?

And Nicola and the Scotts will also wait for a couple of months to see what happens next? She was on the ball already today- and I'm sure she's already cancelled her holiday. And so will Ruth. They might actually get together and work together, those two- they have more balls tham the rest of them together.
Europe will wait as long as the UK makes them wait. The decision of when to invoke article 50 is the decision of the government, not Europe. There was no timetable set out during the referendum and the referendum isn't legally binding anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36630326

Merkel already says there is no reason in fighting over a short period of time.

It needs to be done properly so everyone just needs to pipe down for a while.
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Old 25.06.2016, 21:19
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David Lammy has called on Parliament to disregard the referendum result.

He won't be the last.
Oh feck it! I'm dizzy.. beginning to feel like Juncker in your avatar, DB.

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Like Bojo- not very good at answering questions, are you?

How will the people of voted OUT, react if they have to wait months of delay for a decision, and if their wish is not carried out - whilst the GVT goes off on their joliies? Will they just sit quietly, chatting about the birds and bees in the meantime? Will Scotland just sit around twiddling thumbs? Whilst manufacturing is planning its escape, and financial services too?

Now I've heard and read some weird stuff over the past few days- so ...

I wonder how many young people you have discussed this in the UK?
What do you mean how will they react? The PM has already said it will take a few months to get a new PM in and the new PM will invoke article 50. Has there been any adverse reaction?
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Brexit - UK parliaments will ignore it

The public vote on the UK leaving the EU is not binding.

Why should parliament make any efforts to enact laws? Isn't it much more comfortable to sit the problems out forever?

First the UK government waits half an eternity to invoke Article 50 of the Lisboa treaty. Then the clock starts ticking for two years - but, hey, we are all good buddies, so lets extend the time for even more negotiations on the divorce (Article 50 allows for that)

What is, in real life, going to motivate the UK to actually pull through? (The EU itself cannot do anything until Article 50 has been activated by the UK)

The funky thing is that all the time, the UK is going to be a full member of the EU, so it's not even that the UK is now some lame duck, making negotiations any easier because the spoil-sport is a goner. Now is the time to really tick everybody off, as "we are out anyway" (na-na-na, but not really, ha-ha!)

All that in light of Web petition for 2nd EU referendum draws huge interest
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That Wikipedia article is based on 2009 data. Romania and Bulgaria, referred to by an earlier poster, were not in the EU at that time and did not have free access across EU borders, nor any more right to live in EU countries or Switzerland.

Now, Romanians and Bulgarians have far easier access to Switzerland and to EU countries. Romanians top the crime lists in many of those countries. That's the point that LiB and other posters are making.
Hmm. 2007 is the year when Romania and Bulgaria have joined EU and that didn't give the EU-2 citizens full access to the labour market, which came only in 2014 in UK or Germany for instance (apart from a few countries). As for the rest of your post, maybe they top the crime list along with nationals from other countries... Ireland, Lithuania, Poland in UK, to name a few.
The free visa travel regime started in 2002, a few years before EU accession anyway. Same for the Balkan states which are not part of EU- they can travel visa free since 2009 - Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and 2010 - Albania and Bosnia. (that doesn't have anything to do with work/residence permits)
As for Eu-2 it has fully access to CH labour market only from June 2016. So, I don't see how "welcoming" were all these countries because they used the maximum possible period for work and residence restrictions.

In Switzerland (as well as in other countries, for sure), there is the so-called "tourist" criminality - many criminal gangs operate here for reasons not at all difficult to grasp, but it's not only them. I constantly read about Turkish and other Balkan nationals in the Zürich news. In Geneva, there are the French gangs crossing the border from Lyon and other places.

This is a phenomenon really difficult to eradicate and don't know what this has to do with normal foreign residents - who have jobs, pay taxes etc.

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Why would we not succeed? Do you honestly think this Brexit means the demise of the United Kingdom? Get real.
Yes to the demise of the UK You think the Scots and Irish will hang around? Get real.
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Old 25.06.2016, 21:34
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The public vote on the UK leaving the EU is not binding.

Why should parliament make any efforts to enact laws? Isn't it much more comfortable to sit the problems out forever?

First the UK government waits half an eternity to invoke Article 50 of the Lisboa treaty. Then the clock starts ticking for two years - but, hey, we are all good buddies, so lets extend the time for even more negotiations on the divorce (Article 50 allows for that)

What is, in real life, going to motivate the UK to actually pull through? (The EU itself cannot do anything until Article 50 has been activated by the UK)

The funky thing is that all the time, the UK is going to be a full member of the EU, so it's not even that the UK is now some lame duck, making negotiations any easier because the spoil-sport is a goner. Now is the time to really tick everybody off, as "we are out anyway" (na-na-na, but not really, ha-ha!)

All that in light of Web petition for 2nd EU referendum draws huge interest
Yesterday I spent some time amusing myself explaining to some thick necked british tourists why leaving the EU basically means that the UK is now the EU´s bitch.
You should have seen their faces when they went to the: "But, but, but!" phase.
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Old 25.06.2016, 21:36
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I can see a lot of expats living on UK pensions looking for the exit door and relocating back to the UK.
Cheap, so cheap. And NO- I don't think so- the UK I loved so much will probably be gone- the open, forward thinking, tolerant UK which was part of Europe...

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Bear in mind house prices to incomes were at an average multiple of 8.8 times income in 2014, you can only imagine what it is now. So the most basic need, even before food, 'shelter', is out of the reach of most people.
Restrict mortgages to 3 times earnings & houses will be affordable in 2 years.

Thats how it was 30 years ago.......I bought my first property in London at 21 it would be worth £850.000 today.
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David Lammy has called on Parliament to disregard the referendum result.

He won't be the last.

That's one hell of a solution for addressing a political system's credibility gap. Very unifying. :roll eyes:
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Poland urges ‘new EU treaty’ based on nation states

Right-wing leader Jarosław Kaczyński urged a “positive response” to Britain’s choice to quit by reforming the EU in order to forestall other “events like Brexit, and a general crisis in the future”.

“The conclusion is obvious; we need a new European treaty,” the Eurosceptic leader told reporters in Warsaw.

A staunch opponent of European federalism, Kaczynski insisted that “we must find a model for Europe that reflects Europe as it really is.



The wheels of change are in motion..
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Re: Brexit - UK parliaments will ignore it

We had the same system in Yugoslavia.

There were elections and there was only one candidate on the ballot, Dear Comrade Tito.

People were "in charge" of "self-governing", they were making the decisions and the government was ignoring them.

We all know how that ended.
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He's working his notice period?, he probably wishes he had some garden leave
He will have - UK Parliament summer recess is from 21st July to 2nd September. And the conferences between 15th September and 10th October.

http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/.../recess-dates/

So only 26 days - including weekends - before the recess and then 11 days before the conferences.
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Boris Johnson is a brilliant man
Yeah, clearly you've seen him in live debates? The guy has nothing to say that isn't scripted. Utterly hapless.
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Yep- everyone will just sit around twiddling thumbs for just over 2 months. The Scotts, the industries, car manufacturers, financial services, stock exchanges and all - sure.

So they will all go off on their jollies, put the suntan lotion on and crack open the bubbly- whilst the rest of Europe and the world awaits. Sure.

I've had enough- hungry- going to make some ...

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The guy has nothing to say that isn't scripted.
This can be also seen as a quality: The man knows what he has to say, say it and go home. He is there to get his message through to the viewers, the other guests on the set have their own views and can't be convinced otherwise anyway. This undermines the "format" of a debate, but the ideas of the debate get through nonetheless for both sides.

Reminder: I don't have any opinion on Brexit, I just respect the vote of the people and just wave goodbye accordingly, nothing more.
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Yeah, clearly you've seen him in live debates? The guy has nothing to say that isn't scripted. Utterly hapless.
This, exactly and totally unable and unwilling to anwer any questions asked of him ...

For Boris, Gove and Farage, Kipling is too good for you though

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This can be also seen as a quality: The man knows what he has to say, say it and go home. He is there to get his message through to the viewers, the other guests on the set have their own views and can't be convinced otherwise anyway. This undermines the "format" of a debate, but the ideas of the debate get through nonetheless for both sides.

Reminder: I don't have any opinion on Brexit, I just respect the vote of the people and just wave goodbye accordingly, nothing more.

Let me clarify, the guy is thick as two short planks. My impression reinforced by my school mates who worked for/with him.
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Yeah, clearly you've seen him in live debates? The guy has nothing to say that isn't scripted. Utterly hapless.
Whatever the scripting, what I have heard from him and what he has said is principally sound and has philosophical integrity. Way much more than Cameron, who has said one thing, then later contradict the principles of what he said earlier. I believe Boris Johnson is an intellectual heavyweight.

That being said, I don't actually believe that is the strongest attribute for a leader. In fact, I don't think PM is his ideal role. I think he would be much better suited providing ideological support.

I actually think it is a bad idea for him and for the UK to be PM. At the point he goes after the job, I think will turn his intellectual gift towards egoistic ambitions, whereas his intellectual gift is better used in the service of his country and not just the service of his ego. I'm predicting disaster if he becomes PM.
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