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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Let me clarify, the guy is thick as two short planks.
I believe you if you say so, another member said he was intelligent earlier in this thread... so I stay neutral here, but eloquence and intelligence are two different things. A debate's winner is not the smartest part, it's the most convincing one in real life and the troll one on the internet. You sure know that convincing and trolling have more to do with rhetoric and little with reason and subject expertise. It's been documented non-stop since Plato.
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Let me clarify, the guy is thick as two short planks. My impression reinforced by my school mates who worked for/with him.
You know, don't you, that extremely intelligent people can often appear to be quite thick, clumsy and bumbling.. when nothing could be further from the truth, with regard to their intellect.

I don't know if Mr. Johnson would make a decent PM.. I've often heard him, bike in hand, over the years, talk to tv reporters and he always expressed himself succinctly and eloquently. Sometimes tho' I've often wondered if he might suffer from dyspraxia.

He always been a great host on HIGNFY
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Let me clarify, the guy is thick as two short planks. My impression reinforced by my school mates who worked for/with him.
Boris may be many things, but "thick as two short planks" isn't one of them. You are letting personal bias outweigh common sense there.
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Boris may be many things, but "thick as two short planks" isn't one of them. You are letting personal bias outweigh common sense there.


I think he does a pretty good job of seeming to be a bit thick. I doubt that he got where he is without a sharp mind.
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This gave me a chuckle..

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Old 25.06.2016, 22:36
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I think there's an outside chance, but still a very real possibility, that a massively revised EU-like treaty might be put forward before clause 50 is invoked, and that Britain would be very much a part of it. In such a situation a new mandate from the people may well be needed, be it in the form of a General Election or another referendum after new terms have been negotiated.

If nothing changes from the EU side I can't see how the government could refuse to abide by the referendum result, except in the case of the winning party of a new General Election doing so on a platform specifically based on remaining within the current EU.
If I was a betting man, which I am I would expect exactly this outcome. The UK will get a far better deal than they have now.
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Old 25.06.2016, 22:37
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I think he does a pretty good job of seeming to be a bit thick. I doubt that he got where he is without a sharp mind.
He just comes across as slow because he's not good at thinking and reacting quickly under pressure, you can see it every time he is surprised by a question in the way he stutters and stammers while he thinks of an answer. A silky smooth, Blair or Cameron-esque orator he is not. He's a relative plodder in comparison.
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I voted Remain, am usually pompous enough to believe giving the vote to everyone is a stupid idea (still do), but .... many people over 65 will have seen their holidays (and potential retiring-abroad plans) adversely affected due to the banking sector share crash and sterling fall and as for those stupid people who had no idea what they were voting for ... unless there are millions of them (and only on one side of the vote) then it makes little difference.

The vote was certainly not rational nor informed, but it seemed neither side thought it worthwhile to actually speak the facts in a language that a relatively unsavvy population could understand. The mistake was calling the referendum in the first place imo. To call it means to be prepared to lose. So tough.
Anyone seriously planning to retire abroad would have and an international investment portfolio, so the fall will mean they are richer in with virtually no difference in the country they intend to retire in. My outgoings are 70% Euros, 20% Euros & 10 CHF however I use USD as my base currency, as the US market is generally the place to be, and has been for over 100 years.
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He just comes across as slow because he's not good at thinking and reacting quickly under pressure, you can see it every time he is surprised by a question in the way he stutters and stammers while he thinks of an answer. A silky smooth orator he is not. He's a relative plodder.



I've wondered a couple of times about the stammer, I know a few highly intelligent people who stammer, so my natural tendency is to "hear past" it.


Today I saw him driving in a video clip:


1) He was driving himself.
2) it was some 0815 Ford, a Focus I think.
3) The mirror was damaged, typical of a minor parking graze.


Coupled with the whole bicycle and helmet thing I am of the opinion that he has resisted becoming slick and polished - and I take that to be a smart move.
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Old 25.06.2016, 22:51
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We had the same system in Yugoslavia.

There were elections and there was only one candidate on the ballot, Dear Comrade Tito.

People were "in charge" of "self-governing", they were making the decisions and the government was ignoring them.

We all know how that ended.
It went exceptionally well, especially compared to Yugoslavia's communist neighbours who relentlessly tried to pull the country into their sphere of influence up to the day that Tito died.

But that was a totally different situation. There's no charismatic, effective leader in the current scenario.
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Old 25.06.2016, 22:55
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...I believe Boris Johnson is an intellectual heavyweight...
Should there be an emoji next to that?
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Cheap, so cheap. And NO- I don't think so- the UK I loved so much will probably be gone- the open, forward thinking, tolerant UK which was part of Europe...

The worst that could happen for us is that we cancel the new kitchen. I can live with that very happily
Not aimed at you Oldie, sorry.
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Old 25.06.2016, 23:04
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Should there be an emoji next to that?
The man outsmarted the multi-trillion dollar political establishment. I'll give it a smiley and a laugh.
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Anyone seriously planning to retire abroad would have and an international investment portfolio
Hello! Earth to planet Fatman? International portfolio my arrear[1].

[1] Freudian typo or what? Arse.
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Old 25.06.2016, 23:08
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He will have - UK Parliament summer recess is from 21st July to 2nd September. And the conferences between 15th September and 10th October.

http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/.../recess-dates/

So only 26 days - including weekends - before the recess and then 11 days before the conferences.
I can't imagine with what amounts to a national crisis they can take a summer recess.

Who knows.. I can't see it going over well with the voters though.
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I've wondered a couple of times about the stammer, I know a few highly intelligent people who stammer, so my natural tendency is to "hear past" it.


Today I saw him driving in a video clip:


1) He was driving himself.
2) it was some 0815 Ford, a Focus I think.
3) The mirror was damaged, typical of a minor parking graze.


Coupled with the whole bicycle and helmet thing I am of the opinion that he has resisted becoming slick and polished - and I take that to be a smart move.
I'm not sure he's resisted, he's just not that slick kind of guy. Boris is Boris and that's what has made him a success.

Personally, I don't think he would be a great PM. I find him too awkward and indecisive and I don't think he would do good when under real pressure in tough times. He was a decent and likeable mayor and he has certainly played a good game with the Brexit campaign and deserves some respect for that, but he's not great PM material in my eyes.

I'll be watching Theresa May closely as while she doesn't have the highest charismsa, she is a strong character and has a very high dose of common sense.
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The man outsmarted the multi-trillion dollar political establishment. I'll give it a smiley and a laugh.
"Johnson was educated at the European School of Brussels, Ashdown House School, and Eton College. He studied Classics at Balliol College, Oxford, where he was elected President of the Oxford Union in 1986. "

he's a national treasure too

To call him thick is very poor judgment imo, I totally see people voting for him over dear Corbyn.
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UK 2017 EU presidency raises concerns

*EU leaders fear that London may use the unsolved case of its rotating EU presidency as a bargaining chip to obtain better divorce conditions. Word is out that member countries and the Commission would like to make the divorce difficult and painful, for pedagogical reasons, to discourage other potential quitters.*

Juncker wants to punish anyone for even thinking of leaving.. punish them all.
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This is how I feel- yes, an old biddie who loved the tolerant and open Britain I fell in love with in 1970, and later the open, diverse and toleratn multiculturalism of Leicester- 39 years. Will sign out now and go back to watching Glasto, and dream of the Isle of Wight 1970. Just can't stomach anymore.

If you voted out because of "unelected politicians" then well done because we're about to get an unelected prime minister.

If you voted out because of immigration then well done, because you just lost the right of free movement too. Just wait 'til you have to get a visa to go to Glasgow or Belfast.

Posted on Facebook earlier today, well worth a read.

If you voted out because people were "stealing your jobs" then well done, because you're about to see Germany and France "steal" Nissan and a bunch of other companies who only manufacture here as a gateway to the eu market.

If you voted out because you think we'll get a great trade deal with the EEA "like Norway did", think again. Take a look around your Sainsbury's Local and try and find any fruit and veg that's grown in the UK. We need them more than they need us, and like the EEA, we'll have to accept EU policies like free movement as part of a trade deal anyway - except now we won't be able to have any say in them.

If you voted out because of vague scaremongering headlines like "Migrant Crisis" then please, feel free to remind me when it was that Syria joined the EU.

If you voted out because Farage promised 350m for the NHS, then I'm sure you'll be happy to watch him on This Morning revealing that that was a lie.

If you voted out and you're heading into retirement, then great job! Because now the working people of this nation will break their backs to afford your pension without the influx of young, economically active and skilled EU migrants.

If you voted out because you think we'll be better off, the has just fallen by 8% against the dollar.

And if you voted out because you love this country, prepare to see it crumble, with threats of a unified Ireland and an independent Scotland just hours after the result was confirmed.

Well done, Britain - and good bye.
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Don't forget to include..

If you voted out because it's your democratic right then you're an uneducated pillock

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