Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics
View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #2381  
Old 26.06.2016, 14:40
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 0
Groaned at 6 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
michael149 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
Both sides knew the rules - hardly Brexit's fault the Remain campaign focussed on slagging off Brexit instead of focusing on this positives.
Oh, I am in agreement with you that the Remain campaign did not focus on the positives. Plus the problem was that Remain was too smug and complacent. It was theirs to lose.

One would have hoped for a better quality of debate all round. Alas, once again, we were confronted with typical bloody Politics. The campaign on both sides was full of soundbites. The public was fed wishy washiness left right and bleeding centre,

Given the landmark constitutional importance, you would have thought that a few torchlights in Whitehall would have thought of inserting some thresholds into the enabling legislation.

Alas, there is a consensus line of thinking in Westminster that Parliament is sovereign. They thought that if they left the referendum without force of law, that would give them the political wiggle-room.

But leaving the legal impact unclear has made the referendum into a political noose. Rather than clarify anything, the referendum is causing a political crisis. Back to the 1970s......
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank michael149 for this useful post:
  #2382  
Old 26.06.2016, 14:42
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 19,355
Groaned at 368 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 22,366 Times in 10,062 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
What's with these sore losers?
What would happen if you were able to get a second referendum and you lost again?
Would you accept the decision or would you keep whinging for a third, or a fourth, until you got you way?

Just accept the democratic decision, roll up your sleeves and get on with it FFS.
I'll do that as soon as Farage, Gove and BoJo ensure that their promises are turned into reality. I demand that 350 mio a week go immediately to the NHS- starting next week- as promised. Many people voted leave on that promise alone. With a vote SO close, they would be enough to tip the balance.

Even Farage said if the vote was that close HE would call for a second referendum.

Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Odile for this useful post:
This user groans at Odile for this post:
  #2383  
Old 26.06.2016, 14:42
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 3,973
Groaned at 31 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 7,211 Times in 2,905 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
Ohh a conspiracy theory! So they brought it down to change its code to remove any validations? Don't you think anyone who signed a petition would spot this immediately? And the IT department are on it too? lol

It went down because hundreds of thousands tried to register at the same time and it couldn't handle it, that's all. Now it's up and the fake signatures continue.


Not that they brought it down to change the code, but that it crashed because every script kiddie in the land was having at it for all they were worth.


The IT department, Lol... "Sir, are you aware that this might be difficult to keep online, let alone secure?"..... "Yes Sir, I understand Sir"... "Click"..."Numpty!" tappety, tappety, tappety.
Reply With Quote
  #2384  
Old 26.06.2016, 14:43
Newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 0
Groaned at 6 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
michael149 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
I just registered as Donald Duck, voted and confirmed by email. Easy.

Then I used the exact same name with the exact email and voted again. Same random postcode I found on the web, both times.

That website is a complete joke, I can write a bot to register a million times in no time.

No unique identifiers, not even common sense validation as same name in same address voting multiple times checks.

A joke.
All right....well that is a joke....I sincerely apologise. Wll then they will just need to get on with the mess that they find themselves in....Good job I'm not living there anymore.....
Reply With Quote
  #2385  
Old 26.06.2016, 14:58
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Misery-Courtion
Posts: 13,480
Groaned at 169 Times in 134 Posts
Thanked 9,609 Times in 5,491 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
What's with these sore losers?
What would happen if you were able to get a second referendum and you lost again?
Would you accept the decision or would you keep whinging for a third, or a fourth, until you got you way?

Just accept the democratic decision, roll up your sleeves and get on with it FFS.
Why not? It seems to work for Sturgeon.

Scottish Parliament can't veto the referendum - they have no say in the matter. Sturgeon spouting rubbish again. Even if the Scottish Parliament did try and block later legislation, once Article 50 is triggered the UK will be out of the EU in two years - with an agreement or without one. That's the way the Article works. If the EU/UK can't agree terms, then the UK will be out regardless.

What is Article 50 of the EU Treaty?
  • In force since 2009 but never tested
  • Allows governments to notify intent to leave. Talks then begin on a range of issues between the leaving nation and other EU members
  • If no deal is reached, membership will automatically cease two years after notification
  • The article is only a basic template for leaving, settling the date and some other matters. It does not automatically include issues such as movement of people or trade. The latter could take years to conclude
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36632579

SNPs in UK Parliament will obviously vote no, but it'll depend on how many other MPs try and thwart the will of the UK people.

Last edited by Medea Fleecestealer; 26.06.2016 at 15:35. Reason: Added more info
Reply With Quote
  #2386  
Old 26.06.2016, 14:59
ZuriRollt's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,786
Groaned at 41 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 2,053 Times in 923 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
Britain needs Your signature!
As some of you may be aware, there is a petition to trigger a 2nd Referendum on EU membership.
I urge those of you interested to add your signature.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
That's a joke, right?
Reply With Quote
  #2387  
Old 26.06.2016, 14:59
manwithnoname's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 471
Groaned at 53 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 958 Times in 371 Posts
manwithnoname has a reputation beyond reputemanwithnoname has a reputation beyond reputemanwithnoname has a reputation beyond reputemanwithnoname has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
I'll do that as soon as Farage, Gove and BoJo ensure that their promises are turned into reality. I demand that 350 mio a week go immediately to the NHS- starting next week- as promised. Many people voted leave on that promise alone. With a vote SO close, they would be enough to tip the balance.

Even Farage said if the vote was that close HE would call for a second referendum.

Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?
on the other hand... https://twitter.com/david_cameron/st...62392131997697
Reply With Quote
This user groans at manwithnoname for this post:
  #2388  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:03
ZuriRollt's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 1,786
Groaned at 41 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 2,053 Times in 923 Posts
ZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond reputeZuriRollt has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
Do you think that might have anything to do with the fact that it was down on Friday?
No, most certainly due to the rainy weather
Reply With Quote
  #2389  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:11
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 11,472
Groaned at 246 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,326 Times in 5,676 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Thanks Odile

We seem to be in a strange time at the moment!

My expectation was that the "Leavers" would be wildly celebrating, there would be a lot of pressure to quickly move into the brave new world outside the EU.

Instead it is relatively quiet, the influential Leave voices are saying things like; "go slow", "informal negotiations first", " no need to plunge into tabling article 50 now".

I did support Remain but the vote is over so let us get on with leaving; I do not want uncertainty to continue.
As predicted, A50 was not invoked on the day of the vote as some of the Bremoaners claimed.

I expect there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but first there is an internal power struggle to be resolved. Farage is already being side-lined and the battle for the PM job is still to come.

Only after that and internal discussions take place will the UK be in a position to have even the first informal discussions.

I expect several people in the civil service to be quite busy over the coming weeks, months and years...
Reply With Quote
  #2390  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:18
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 961
Groaned at 43 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 2,508 Times in 1,136 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
What's with these sore losers?
What would happen if you were able to get a second referendum and you lost again?
Would you accept the decision or would you keep whinging for a third, or a fourth, until you got you way?

Just accept the democratic decision, roll up your sleeves and get on with it FFS.
Really???

Quote:
View Post
Some British newspapers claim Healey is a Leave campaigner who started the petition because he thought Remain would win, now he is desperately try to de-link himself.

You could not make up stuff like this!!

Source
Quote:
De Montfort University activist William Oliver Healey submitted the petition on May 25 in the hope it would help the fight for a Brexit if Vote Remain won the referendum by a narrow margin, by triggering a second referendum.
But the English Democrat activist from Telford's petition drew little interest…that is until Friday when the Brexit victory was announced, and it now appears to have backfired.

You reap what you sow.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #2391  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:25
pilatus1's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Luzern
Posts: 916
Groaned at 118 Times in 76 Posts
Thanked 2,202 Times in 857 Posts
pilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond reputepilatus1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

The second referendum petition is a farce.

Why not start a petition that proposes a 'best of 3' referenda series, or just to settle things the old fashioned way with a quick game of paper, rock, scissors?
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank pilatus1 for this useful post:
  #2392  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:27
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Formerly in Neuchatel
Posts: 2,337
Groaned at 219 Times in 150 Posts
Thanked 3,860 Times in 1,537 Posts
porsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Farrage supposedly promising 350 mio to the NHS is a bit of a joke now. Anyone who believed farrage when or if he said that is a complete moron.

farrage isn't an elected MP, he wasn't even officially associated with the leave campaign and just did his own thing. He has no control over any funds and even if he is an MP in the future he won't be part of government.

Last edited by porsch1909; 26.06.2016 at 15:44.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank porsch1909 for this useful post:
  #2393  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:27
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 961
Groaned at 43 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 2,508 Times in 1,136 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
Oh, I am in agreement with you that the Remain campaign did not focus on the positives. Plus the problem was that Remain was too smug and complacent. It was theirs to lose.
Are you aware that most of the British public are only just realising that there were multiple Leave and Remain campaigns? I knew, but a lot of the friends I spoke to hadn't realised until a few weeks ago, and some people are only just realising as each leading member of the Leave campaign is being asked about their promises, and responding with...that's not the campaign I was a part of. My campaign didn't promise that.

Quote:
View Post
Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?
Their nannies are busy with the sudocrem and Johnson's baby powder, and industrial strength Imodium, because the poor little mites haven't stopped pooping themselves since.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #2394  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:31
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 3,973
Groaned at 31 Times in 30 Posts
Thanked 7,211 Times in 2,905 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
The second referendum petition is a farce.

Why not start a petition that proposes a 'best of 3' referenda series, or just to settle things the old fashioned way with a quick game of paper, rock, scissors?


I submit that the first order of business would be to reinstate the Riot Act (repealed on 18 July 1973... can't blame THAT on the EU), as there is good reason to suspect that there may well be a bit of unrest in the near future.
Reply With Quote
  #2395  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:40
meister's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 172
Groaned at 30 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 130 Times in 58 Posts
meister has earned some respectmeister has earned some respect
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
Why not? It seems to work for Sturgeon.

Scottish Parliament can't veto the referendum - they have no say in the matter. Sturgeon spouting rubbish again.

SNPs in UK Parliament will obviously vote no, but it'll depend on how many other MPs try and thwart the will of the UK people.
Her strategy is to alianate the English and Welsh with the NI and the Scots to secure Scotland's departure from the UK. This is the very ugly side of politics and very devisive. What an awful thing to do.
Reply With Quote
  #2396  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:40
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 961
Groaned at 43 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 2,508 Times in 1,136 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
Farrage supposedly promising 350 mio to the NHS is a bit of a joke now. Anyone who believe farrage when or if he said that is a complete moron.

farrage isn't an elected MP, he wasn't even officially associated with the leave campaign and just did his own thing. He has no control over any funds and even if he is an MP in the future he won't be part of government.
IDS has backed down from it too now. What a slimey, f****** c*** he is.

The ad they ran before the news last Sunday is the cause of the my only ever complaint to Ofcom.

Quote:
A similar message was emblazoned on the camp's bus: "We send the EU £350 million a week - let's fund our NHS instead."
But the former secretary of state for work and pensions said: "I never said that during the course of the election."
http://news.sky.com/story/1717826/ba...-money-promise
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #2397  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:45
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Formerly in Neuchatel
Posts: 2,337
Groaned at 219 Times in 150 Posts
Thanked 3,860 Times in 1,537 Posts
porsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond reputeporsch1909 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Petition for a 2nd Referendum

Quote:
View Post
IDS has backed down from it too now. What a slimey, f****** c*** he is.

The ad they ran before the news last Sunday is the cause of the my only ever complaint to Ofcom.



http://news.sky.com/story/1717826/ba...-money-promise
Where does it say on the bus, lets give all 350 million to the NHS instead?
Reply With Quote
  #2398  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:45
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,516
Groaned at 164 Times in 139 Posts
Thanked 8,528 Times in 4,671 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Quote:
View Post
Where are they all, Boris, Gove, Farage - disappeared off the face of the earth?!?
Quote:
View Post
Farrage supposedly promising 350 mio to the NHS is a bit of a joke now. Anyone who believe farrage when or if he said that is a complete moron.

farrage isn't an elected MP, he wasn't even officially associated with the leave campaign and just did his own thing. He has no control over any funds and even if he is an MP in the future he won't be part of government.
Farage is alive and well!
Nigel Farage says Britain heading for recession 'regardless of Brexit'
Oh well, so long as nothing to do with Brexit then it is OK

Source

On the topic of irony; from a Guardian Comment page "Reasons to vote leave - regularly hearing a foreign language in Lidls" In Lidl!!, cor blimey missus what a scandal
Whatever next! Those crafty Americans will buy Ford!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #2399  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:50
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 11,472
Groaned at 246 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,326 Times in 5,676 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

to be honest, i never understood that 350m would be all put to the NHS instead, but then I can see how someone might believe that.

likewise, i'm sure somebody will complain that they are not going to build a new hospital every week with the money.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #2400  
Old 26.06.2016, 15:52
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 11,472
Groaned at 246 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,326 Times in 5,676 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

but his handling shows how he is a terrible politician.

if he were more cameron-like he would have said something like: "yes, i can promise it will all be spent in the UK for the good of the UK, on the NHS, on schools, on whatever the UK needs"
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Latest Referendum, what will be consequences for EU (C permit and B permit) holders? expat2014 Permits/visas/government 3 11.02.2014 08:59
Importing vehicles and the VAT consequences in Switzerland from France BEFO Finance/banking/taxation 6 07.08.2013 15:11
The (Available in CH) Dog Food Review Thread meloncollie Pet corner 44 08.05.2012 20:15
Common-law marriage and consequences in CH Mishto Family matters/health 9 01.10.2011 22:03
Something for the Brits: M&S in CH mark Daily life 11 15.11.2007 12:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 16:14.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0