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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 26.06.2016, 16:48
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Why are they happy to wait for the benefits that they voted for, nobody even publishes how long they will have to wait?
'cause they are all mindful of their own political careers! No one wants to be the one to fail in the negotiations, why do you think they wanted DC to remain on... only he did not play ball.
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Old 26.06.2016, 16:57
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Indeed, sad but true. And posters, and the same promises made in interviews and thoughout the campaign.

Especially those who were led to believe that the difficulties they were experiencing with the NHS, getting appointments or being on a waiting lists, etc- was not due to the deliberate undermining of the NHS by the gvt in order to bring in privatisation by the back door - but due to the immigrants.

I'd say it would be very naïve indeed to believe that a significant % of leavers believed the NHS would benefit massively and directly from the so called 350 million 'given' to the EU. Naïve in the extreme.
So the ad on the side of the bus never claimed that an extra 350 million would be spent on the NHS. I can't believe you did not understand what was written & are pretending something else
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Old 26.06.2016, 17:02
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Perhaps if you actually bothered to read people's posts you wouldn't make such silly comments. And perhaps if you bothered to follow the campaign, you would have heard BoJo making clear statements to that effect again and again.
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Old 26.06.2016, 17:05
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It seems that political reform is badly needed in the UK.

If it was the only place...

With faces like Mr Schulz, Mr Tusk and Mr Juncker "representing" the EU, it's no wonder people wanted to give 'em all a smack in the face.

The same EU-politicians that couldn't agree to tell Greece to eff-off even though they cheated their way into the EU and the MU and continued cheating for the better part of a decade is now requesting that GB (a net payer!) to pack-up its stuff and leave ASAP.

Obviously, it was a mistake to vote for "leave" - there is no question about that.

But at the same time, I see a lot of the EU-politicians do and say the same things that (supposedly) lead a lot of people to vote "leave" in the first place.

This (apparent) lack of introspection and self-reflection is what could bring the EU down, in the end.
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Old 26.06.2016, 17:05
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I'd say it would be very naïve indeed to believe that a significant % of leavers believed the NHS would benefit massively and directly from the so called 350 million 'given' to the EU. Naïve in the extreme.
Eh, so now so you are completely contradicting yourself and saying that this claim didn't sway the vote?
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Old 26.06.2016, 17:07
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Who cares about the bloody NHS?! The main reason that this election was won by Leave was a matter of sovereignty. Arguments about NHS spending due to Brexit just show how out of touch the Remainers are.

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Old 26.06.2016, 17:15
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So the ad on the side of the bus never claimed that an extra 350 million would be spent on the NHS.
Agree, but unfortunately a majority of the (UK) population read it differently.
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Old 26.06.2016, 17:20
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Eh, so now so you are completely contradicting yourself and saying that this claim didn't sway the vote?
Thanks for pointing this out- a mistake indeed which I have corrected.
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Old 26.06.2016, 17:22
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Agree, but unfortunately a majority of the (UK) population read it differently.
says who?
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Old 26.06.2016, 17:53
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Perhaps those who are now saying they are regreting voting leave- and would tip the 48/52 t'other way round:

Re. Brexit. Survation survey just out shows, amongst other things, that 7.1% of Leave voters regret voting Leave. On my calculations, that would switch the 52/48 Leave result to 52/48 Remain. Full details here: http://survation.com/…/Final-MoS-Pos...ables-240616S…
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Perhaps those who are now saying they are regreting voting leave- and would tip the 48/52 t'other way round:

Re. Brexit. Survation survey just out shows, amongst other things, that 7.1% of Leave voters regret voting Leave. On my calculations, that would switch the 52/48 Leave result to 52/48 Remain. Full details here: http://survation.com/…/Final-MoS-Pos...240616S…
Choices have consequences. They made their choice, cast their vote, and they now have to deal with the consequences. All of your prattle doesn't change that, and there is no guarantee that there are no Remain voters who would not now vote Leave either, or people who abstained who wouldn't go out and vote Leave.

It happened. Deal with it.

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Perhaps those who are now saying they are regreting voting leave- and would tip the 48/52 t'other way round:

Re. Brexit. Survation survey just out shows, amongst other things, that 7.1% of Leave voters regret voting Leave. On my calculations, that would switch the 52/48 Leave result to 52/48 Remain. Full details here: http://survation.com/…/Final-MoS-Pos...240616S…
Judging from recent press headlines about Brits, I expect tomorrows to read something along the lines of " The hangover after".
Shame that it will impact all future generations.
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It's in naive to think that this 350m figure somehow carried the election, because had the figure been 190m it would have likely been the same outcome. Let's not sit here blaming relatively inconsequential things like this for the current situation, let's blame the institutions that have caused such a well of dissatisfaction among the population that it has even come to this point. There is a bigger picture, and it does not lie in the shady claims made by both camps during this referendum.
Highlighted the key word...

Are a significant proportion of the British public naive enough to have believed this 'claim'? As my Swiss neighbour told me yesterday, Swiss people tend to be a lot more politically engaged because of all the referendums they have.


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Did the (UK) vote based on what was printed on buses? (makes sense).
Last Sunday, I turned on the tv for the ITV evening news and was confronted by an advert by the Leave campaign that is so divisive and manipulative, that I made my first, ever complaint to Ofcom. It might take a few viewings for all to become clear, but the blatant racism in this ad is spectacular.

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Old 26.06.2016, 18:02
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Judging from recent press headlines about Brits, I expect tomorrows to read something along the lines of " The hangover after".
Shame that it will effect all future generations.


I have to admit I am impressed at the restraint that the German press and talkshows have exercised.


Did anyone see the Bild Article?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ct-Brexit.html
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I have to admit I am impressed at the restraint that the German press and talkshows have exercised.


Did anyone see the Bild Article?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ct-Brexit.html
To be honest, I believe that no-one really thought this scenario would be the case.

The reality is that many potentially impacted large firms e.g. UBS have worked on this outcome since quite a long time, and are well prepared.
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Perhaps those who are now saying they are regreting voting leave- and would tip the 48/52 t'other way round:

Re. Brexit. Survation survey just out shows, amongst other things, that 7.1% of Leave voters regret voting Leave. On my calculations, that would switch the 52/48 Leave result to 52/48 Remain. Full details here: http://survation.com/…/Final-MoS-Pos...ables-240616S…
Doesn't matter. What is done is done now.
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An ex-Zurich mate of mine now based in zeist sent me this message earlier...

"I saw Coldplay in the Amsterdam Arena on Friday night (the day after). Their set starts with video of fans from each concert that they've been at during the tour so far, wishing everyone a great night. So we saw fans from Argentina, Chile, Peru, Columbia, Brazil, Mexico, France, Spain, Germany, Britain and Switzerland..

Except when the British fans with Union Jack came up on the screen most of the 70,000 strong crowd started booing. My first reaction was WTF? Britain has done something courageous that will probably save your skins (again), so why boo? My second reaction was "welcome to the future".
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I have to admit I am impressed at the restraint that the German press and talkshows have exercised.


Did anyone see the Bild Article?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ct-Brexit.html
Definietly for once the German press are not echoing the doom scenarios that their political leaders are spreading. I am actually quite impressed by how balanced they are reporting right now.

However, on the other hand I heard a CDU guy on Deutschlandfunk this morning saying that if Britain does not initiate article 50 within the next few weeks there must be ways of forcing them.

And then they wonder why certain stereotypes refuse to vanish.
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Highlighted the key word...

Are a significant proportion of the British public naive enough to have believed this 'claim'? As my Swiss neighbour told me yesterday, Swiss people tend to be a lot more politically engaged because of all the referendums they have.




Last Sunday, I turned on the tv for the ITV evening news and was confronted by an advert by the Leave campaign that is so divisive and manipulative, that I made my first, ever complaint to Ofcom. It might take a few viewings for all to become clear, but the blatant racism in this ad is spectacular.

Thanks for finding this- I watched it too, and it is truly shocking

I wonder how many commenting here have actually been following the campaign- and realised that it was not 'just' what was written on a bus- but on such political broadcasts and interviews with the main LEAVE campaigners (liars).

Amazing from the medical point of view too. Someone goes to Casualty because they have a cold- are seen and sent home, cough gone. Now I've seen miracles but this takes the biscuit. The racism is quite subtle- watch again - but it is about the 350 mio here going to the NHS to perform instant cures.
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Last Sunday, I turned on the tv for the ITV evening news and was confronted by an advert by the Leave campaign that is so divisive and manipulative, that I made my first, ever complaint to Ofcom. It might take a few viewings for all to become clear, but the blatant racism in this ad is spectacular.

Again, I'm firmly on the other side of the Brexit divide, but I fail to see any racism in the ad you've linked. Lies about the £350m again, but no racism. What am I missing?
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