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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:43
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Not forgetting either that most of the energy suppliers are now French, German, etc- water supplies even, and of curse nuclear energy too. They've got us over a barrel seems to come to mind.

The winners are hardly going to be the 'ordinary' little folk some seem to care about (not).
Why should foreign owned assets be more problematic outside of the EU than inside? Even the Chinese have a stake in British nuclear power now. Nobody is going to randomly raise prices because they are on a revenge trip. That's not how the market works.

British companies also own stuff in Germany. Sky for example owns a lot of TV stuff, and Stagecoach runs bus rural services in different parts. Are the Germans now running scared that the Brits are going to twist the knife on them? Then why should the inverse be a problem?
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:45
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The EU have appointed a team to manage the EU side of Brexit, team leader is Didier Seeuws.

And the British team is ?

I hope we Brits get on with it and soon start saving the £350M per week.

That is a lot of money and we need it!
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:48
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Well I can survive easily without Sky and bus services personally- nuclear and other forms of electrictiy, gas and water are harder to do without. When you are at loggerheads with other countries, its best not to depend on them for survival essentials, perhaps.
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:50
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German MP Michael Fuchs, a senior ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel, spoke to the Today programme a short time ago.

With a chuckle, he made it clear things were going to have to change.

"Either you are in a club or you are out of a club. If you are in a club you have to follow the rules. If you are out of the club, there will be different rules," he said.

Asked if it would be possible for the UK to retain access to the single market, he replied: "It will be possible, of course, but not for free.

"You have to see with Norway, with Switzerland, you have to pay a certain fee. And the per capita fee of Norway is exactly the same as what Britain is now paying into the EU. So there won't be any savings.
Guess Brexit forgot to tell us that bit
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:51
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I (and many others) am terribly sad about the Poland-Switzerland match yesterday. The teams scored a goal each during the first 90 minutes, didn't score any during the extra time, and eventually Poland won by scoring 5 via the penalty shootout (as opposed to Switzerland's 4).
I insist on a rematch as (1) the margins are very narrow (just one missed out penalty shot!), (2) this is not the result I want, and (3) Xhaka wasn't aware of what was at stake and would have performed differently if he had complete information.
And yet, if it's found that the umpire was paid, some of the players were high on cocaine, and some paid to rig the match- perhaps?
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:52
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Guess Brexit forgot to tell us that bit
No reason that fees should be based on per capita, anyone ever heard about economies of scale?
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:53
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We buy more cars from Germany than reexport to the whole of the EU so the 10% tariff is unlikely.
With the £ fall of 10% UK cars will cost the same in Europe & EU cars will cost 20% more in the UK. Looks like that won't happen as the EU car makers will have to swallow the currency loss to stay competitive. More like rolling on the floor crying than rubbing their hands.
I don't know any figures, but my impression is that we don't just export cars to the EU, I went on a tour of Southampton docks last year and we saw loads and loads of new cars parked up and waiting to be loaded onto a ship. I think they were Nissans but I'm not sure as we couldn't come that close and I'm not that good with recognising models. Our guide said they were going to New Zealand (I think).
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:56
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No reason that fees should be based on per capita, anyone ever heard about economies of scale?
No reason indeed, other than England will not have a seat at the table where the decision is made what sort of fee it will be paying to have continued access to the common market, per capita, wholesale, retail, or whatever.

Of course, no Leaver would admit that, since in their minds 60m>500m.
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Old 27.06.2016, 11:57
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Moving is indeed expensive. But countries bend over backwards to lure, providing the infrastructure for free and strong tax deals- to bring workers to one area and therefore taxes, and long-term taxes too, and/or to provide local employment too- cutting the cost of moving hugely. If tarifs imposed are high- then it would be worthwhile.

For financial services, moving to Frankfurt would be very easy- seems it's started already.
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Old 27.06.2016, 12:00
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I fail to see what cards the UK holds?? the UK NEEDS a trade deal with the EU, the EU can carry on quite happily without one, the UK NEEDS to export 1.2 millions cars (half of all the UK's output) the EU can quite happily carry on without the UK's imports.

This is before you take into account a big number of those 1.2m are BMW owned brands, or the fact Ford make a huge amount of engines for export to other ford factories in the EU, or the engines in the mini's are made in austria etc etc

really, I don't mind how people voted, fair play to them

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all I see is the leavers voted for a lie, a big fat huge sticking bag of lies that will lead to a very painful, long recession (which will be the EU's fault of course)
I agree with you.

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maybe our kids will see the benefit of leaving
Except that. I do not think having a job market shrink to a small slice will benefit anyone. Mobility still ensures competitivness, it is not an ideal motivation, but it works. Brits I know here scored that easy work permit thanks to the EU. They won't hold that advantage over the US anymore.

British aren't so keen on foreign language learning, I know that from living there. How is getting rid of EU going to inspire kids to all of a sudden catch up with the rest of the Europe, language wise. Languages promote mobility and career flexibility. If generations must wait, locked in, for conditions to improve while limited by austerity measures..like that is going inspire, all of a sudden.
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Old 27.06.2016, 12:01
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I don't know any figures, but my impression is that we don't just export cars to the EU, I went on a tour of Southampton docks last year and we saw loads and loads of new cars parked up and waiting to be loaded onto a ship. I think they were Nissans but I'm not sure as we couldn't come that close and I'm not that good with recognising models. Our guide said they were going to New Zealand (I think).

very true, they are exported all over the world, from an EU country to non EU countries that have EU trade deals or trade deals pending (eg USA)

A company like nissan (part french owned) can quite easily up sticks and move to another EU country, eg Romania, where Renault has a nice big car plant knocking out Dacia's at the moment, and where the salary's are about 1/4 of the UK's.
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Old 27.06.2016, 12:06
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No reason indeed, other than England will not have a seat at the table where the decision is made what sort of fee it will be paying to have continued access to the common market, per capita, wholesale, retail, or whatever.
Who cares? Who wants to be at a table where they're agreeing closer economic union, common foreign policy and security policy, enforcing migrants upon EU members, common environmental policy etc. etc. and largely against the will of the EU citizens.
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Old 27.06.2016, 12:07
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Romania .... where the salary's are about 1/4 of the UK's.
Not for much longer
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British aren't so keen on foreign language learning, I know that from living there. How is getting rid of EU going to inspire kids to all of a sudden catch up with the rest of the Europe, language wise. Languages promote mobility and career flexibility. If generations must wait, locked in, for conditions to improve while limited by austerity measures..like that is going inspire, all of a sudden.
Unfortunately, all areas of the curriculum in specialist learning, languages and resources have been hit and scaled back again and again in UK schools since 2008.

Schools and services have not recovered.

They won't miss what they do not have.
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British aren't so keen on foreign language learning, I know that from living there. How is getting rid of EU going to inspire kids to all of a sudden catch up with the rest of the Europe, language wise. Languages promote mobility and career flexibility.
If Brexit does NOT lead to recession/crisis, they won't need to learn foreign languages.
If Brexit DOES lead to recession/crisis, they either get the motivation for language learning in the emergency of their need to emigrate or they remain the standard global citizen expat kind of people who work in English anywhere in the world anyway.

In either case, no problem.
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Not for much longer
If it all goes by US/EU plan in Ukraine, there will be a new cheap eldorado when Romania gets too expensive.
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so they told the electorate they would give EU Mio to the NHS

but they didn't mean it

so they told the electorate free movement of workers would be stopped

but they didn't mean it

so they told the electorate they really believed it would be a good idea to get out of EU

but they didn't really mean it - just wanted to scare them a bit ...
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You've never been divorced and this is like a divorce.
The moment you seperate, you're credit rating plummets and stays there until the financial settlement has been agreed.


Extended uncertainty is detrimental to our situation because there are so, so many other matters that need to be resolved and renegotiated, and can only be done once our position is certain.

Just as an example... The Open Skies Agreement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU%E2%...kies_Agreement
Speaking of divorce

It's like the Bremainers think it's a no fault divorce.. but they indirectly caused this divorce too.

If more of the poorer people hadn't been left behind, they probably would have voted remain.

If you look at austerity

the poor are still struggling and the rich got richer, who exactly tightened their belts here and did without for the greater good?
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Unfortunately, all areas of the curriculum in specialist learning, languages and resources have been hit and scaled back again and again in UK schools since 2008.

Schools and services have not recovered.

They won't miss what they do not have.
And was that the fault of the EU? Was it the fault of the EU the NHS was squeezed to death? Was it the fault of the EU council houses were sold and practically no affordable housing built. Was it? Really.
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Speaking of divorce

It's like the Bremainers think it's a no fault divorce.. but they indirectly caused this divorce too.

If more of the poorer people hadn't been left behind, they probably would have voted remain.

If you look at austerity

the poor are still struggling and the rich got richer, who exactly tightened their belts here and did without for the greater good?
not quite, it's the fault of almost all British politicians who have abandoned vast swathes of the electorate. this includes leading Brexiters like IDS and Gove
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