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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 28.06.2016, 18:49
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Pat Glass, who was appointed shadow education secretary yesterday, has announced that she will stand down at the next election
It is difficult to keep track of who is responsible for what and for how long!
The opposition are responsible for nothing in any case.

Won't anyone think of the children!
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Old 28.06.2016, 18:54
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As an aside. How is Fundsmith performing in USD terms over this Brexit period?
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Old 28.06.2016, 19:10
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Corbyn has lost no confidence motion by 172 votes to 40 according to early reports
He's not going anywhere
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If you read Rosa Prince’s very useful biography of Corbyn, two themes emerge very strongly. First, Corbyn is incredibly stubborn. He could not have spent his life campaigning for unfashionable causes if he wasn’t. And, second, in any contest between his principles/conscience and the interests of the PLP, the PLP always comes out second. That is why he merrily defied the Labour whip so often.
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Old 28.06.2016, 19:12
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Not Oliver's best imho- but here goes:

https://youtu.be/nh0ac5HUpDU
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Old 28.06.2016, 19:17
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On David Cameron resigning: "It's like catching an ice-cream cone from a child who's just been hit by a car. I'll eat it, but ...".

Thanks for the link Odile.
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Old 28.06.2016, 19:22
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Why is the UK being excluded from the EU meeting in Bratislava in September? And why are they being passed over from the EU Presidency after Malta when it has not left the EU? Are these decisions based on how someone at the EU feels, or is there no technical due process on how it is decided?

For while the UK is still in the EU, it should be accorded all rights. The referendum was an internal consultation.

I'd like to see Farage assigned to the EU Presidency, as then we may really see some real reform.

Brexit, although it has not been realised by all the shrilly willies, is actually the UK's Ace in the hole. For as long as they have not invoked Article 50, they can hold that card, and may even find the right time to invoke many, many years from now. Weepy Bremainers may even learn to appreciate the value of it some day.
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Old 28.06.2016, 19:32
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I want to do a poll about who the next conservative UK PM is but cant be bothered now because Stop Yulin is a year away...

1. Boris
2. May
3. We want Cameron back, because Stay will prevail.
4. If only the Yulin dogs could vote not to be tortured to death and eaten. Stop Yulin.

Boris seems to be a bit of a renaissance man, I don't see how he can lose.

Boris Johnson has won a £1,000 prize from the Spectator for a rude poem about the Turkish president having sex with a goat. The limerick itself does not mention Recep Tayyip Erdoğan by name, but the Spectator says Johnson produced the poem with him in mind. In its news release it said:

In an as-yet-unpublished interview with Swiss newspaper Die Weltwoche, Boris Johnson was asked about the competition. Declaring that there ought to be no limits on what any European can say ‘about the love that flowers between a Turkish president and a goat’, he proceeded to make up a limerick on the spot. It was a belter, and fills the poetry spot in this week’s Spectator.
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Old 28.06.2016, 19:36
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No it was puerile, to insult and bait fellow MEPs shows the kind of man he really is.
From where I'm standing this looks like one massive act of political vandalism, but as long as Nigel Farage feels vindicated I suppose thats alright
Like he said, they are not laughing now.
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Old 28.06.2016, 19:47
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Not Oliver's best imho- but here goes:

https://youtu.be/nh0ac5HUpDU
If only the cumulative earnings of Remain celebrities had been counted instead of individual votes...
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Old 28.06.2016, 20:12
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He's not going anywhere
Think positive, now you do not need to ask for your money back
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Old 28.06.2016, 20:31
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This farce goes from strength to strength unlike the England football team... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7107826.html
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Old 28.06.2016, 21:00
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Jeremy Hunt is not very subtle about moving to Downing Street:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...t-immigration/
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Old 28.06.2016, 21:03
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And so was my reply "meant sarcastically"
Okay. A lot less obvious though
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And yet, if it's found that the umpire was paid, some of the players were high on cocaine, and some paid to rig the match- perhaps?
The payment of the umpire equates to the £9 million worth of Remain leaflets?
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Old 28.06.2016, 21:14
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Legally Britain is a full EU member until they invoke article 50; so they do not have to ask anybody.

If the British Govt. don't want to respect the British people's will that is no problem legally and there is already the Greek precedent about the austerity referendum.

"the EU does not respect the will of the people" Nothing to do with the EU, they cannot force countries to leave regardless of how the countries people vote.

Boris is only interested in becoming PM; as soon as he succeeds then Brexit will be conveniently forgotten.
I keep reading about this possibility and I'm flabbergasted! No wonder the argument about giving up democracy being in the EU was of no importance to most the Brits - they got nothing to give up, obviously!
What a waste of time and energy this was if the result can just be ignored. And how stupid does the idea of a second referendum sound under the present circumstances? Wtf for? ROFL.
Why doesn't GB just put the Queen back in charge - at least be honest about just being a commanded populace.
(She might even do better!)
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As an aside. How is Fundsmith performing in USD terms over this Brexit period?
Was up over 6% this month yesterday. Down a bit today though

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Just gets worse
The three main ratings agencies have all downgraded the UK’s credit rating.

Moody’s was the first, cutting its outlook on UK sovereign debt from “stable” to “negative” on Friday afternoon. Fitch and Standard & Poor’s followed suit on Monday after the London stock exchange closed.
After the subprime crisis, I tend to take these ratings with a pinch of salt.
For more info: most of Shiller's recent books cover this topic
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Old 28.06.2016, 22:24
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What a waste of time and energy this was if the result can just be ignored. And how stupid does the idea of a second referendum sound under the present circumstances? Wtf for? ROFL.
The referendum has already earned its value. Just seeing the exchange with Farage today was worth it. The whole of Europe sees this. Its encouragement for dissent, which is much needed in Europe. Dissent is healthy. If the EU still turns a deaf ear to everything now, it just digs itself deeper.

Even the hilarious reactions of the losing remainers has a certain entertainment value.

There is no reason to believe they will never invoke A50. They just won't do it now while the EU has laid a trap. That would be stupid. They have to get their house in order first, then plot out a roadmap.
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Old 28.06.2016, 22:27
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Why doesn't GB just put the Queen back in charge - at least be honest about just being a commanded populace.
(She might even do better!)
I'm sure we will see this option being explored in earnest in the not-too-distant future - I don't follow British tabloids, so it may already have been suggested by the fleet street (press).
That said, she'd beat everybody just by pure experience - and she's very well connected.
She's now through her 13th PM in her reign. If she lives to October, she'll see her 14th PM.
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There is no reason to believe they will never invoke A50. They just won't do it now while the EU has laid a trap. That would be stupid. They have to get their house in order first, then plot out a roadmap.

Sorry, I have to object to your use of the term "trap". It was pretty clear what the EU reaction would be. One of the defining characteristics of a trap is that it is hidden.
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