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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 29.02.2016, 10:27
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Apologies if this has been posted before but Brits who've been expats for over 15 years can't vote in the EU referendum so, Brits, please can you sign this petition? Thanks.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/112142
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Apologies if this has been posted before but Brits who've been expats for over 15 years can't vote in the EU referendum so, Brits, please can you sign this petition? Thanks.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/112142
Already on it MidfieldGeneral.

UK Expats Right to Vote in the EU Referendum
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Old 29.02.2016, 11:54
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I have an alternative petition. Please sign it!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...e0lmnaD1Pei6YF
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Of course when the £ plummets- British expats here will laugh and laugh and laugh- all the way to their Swiss bank and thank wonderful wonder Boris.
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Old 29.02.2016, 12:43
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Bravo!

The industry I come from would collapse without it's European multi-lingual staff because British schools simply don't churn out candidates who are fluent in anything other than English, and some are barely that.

In one of our offices, of 115 staff, only 6 were fluent in a second language, 5 of whom were European migrants. In my last office, one of the teams had about 80% multi-lingual staff, the vast majority of whom were European migrants.

When I think that my grandfather spoke 6 languages, my great-uncle 16 languages and dialects, and my OH 5 languages (3 of them completely fluently), I'm ashamed that I only speak one fluently and can get by in a further 4.

Does anyone see any sign of the government investing in languages at school level?

I'm utterly convinced that leaving the EU would be a huge step backwards for the UK on so many levels that it beggars belief that anyone would consider it. Isolation is exactly that.

You can't change something and have a say if you're not even at the table.
Are you saying that after a Brexit happens, a British firm that needs to hire a French, Slovak or Polish who has the skills that the firm needs won't be able to hire them?
Come on guys, this is the 21st century.
I expect British authorities will give work visas very easily whenever a firm needs to hire a specific person because they can't find a British with the necessary skills.

(PS. Yes, I am pro Brexit.)
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Old 29.02.2016, 12:51
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Are you saying that after a Brexit happens, a British firm that needs to hire a French, Slovak or Polish who has the skills that the firm needs won't be able to hire them?
Come on guys, this is the 21st century.
I expect British authorities will give work visas very easily whenever a firm needs to hire a specific person because they can't find a British with the necessary skills.

(PS. Yes, I am pro Brexit.)
A Brexit will automatically trigger the death of all unicorns and there will never be rainbows again. I thought this much was obvious.
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Are you saying that after a Brexit happens, a British firm that needs to hire a French, Slovak or Polish who has the skills that the firm needs won't be able to hire them?
Come on guys, this is the 21st century.
If a quota system is introduced, we can only speculate.

What I have experienced is work being shifted to a company's other European offices where the skills are already present. Mind you, the company I worked for is American owned.

We could see International companies shift their operations to Ireland to remain in an English speaking EU country.
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Old 29.02.2016, 13:27
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Of course when the £ plummets- British expats here will laugh and laugh and laugh- all the way to their Swiss bank and thank wonderful wonder Boris.
Such sure bets often don't materialise, which is why fund managers always underperform, much of the risk premium is priced in today. If the vote is in favour of staying the £ will jump

Of course if you held your money in a selection of international stocks, then if the £ falls the value of the stocks would risen £ terms. Never know why people hold much cash in any particular currency.
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Old 29.02.2016, 13:39
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(PS. Yes, I am pro Brexit.)
I want to address this separately...

You're Greek living in Germany. You're more than entitled to your opinion, but I would like to ask. I'm very aware of your views on Greek politics and economics, but on July 5th last year, what was your back up plan if the result had led to a Grexit?

I know the referendum wouldn't have automatically resulted in a Grexit, and I spent two weeks in Greece at that time listening to all the opposing views (OH's mum's birthday is 5th July so we were in Athens for the referendum, but also went to Aegina and Crete over that period.) We spoke to literally hundreds of people, including quite a few Greek ex-pats who were living in Germany. Regardless of whether people were voting Nai or Oxi, I only met one family who wanted out of the EU.

Personally, I feel like I'm having the same arguments and hearing the same views as last year, but without the element of the austerity measures. Makes me wonder which country will be next? Spain? Portugal? Italy?
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Old 29.02.2016, 14:04
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To anyone thinking about paying attention to what "businesses and business leaders" have to say about Brexit, here's what Ford said would happen in 2002 if the UK didn't join the single currency.

"Ford will not be able to compete against its European rivals if Britain does not take up the single currency soon"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2...join-euro.html
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To anyone thinking about paying attention to what "businesses and business leaders" have to say about Brexit, here's what Ford said would happen in 2002 if the UK didn't join the single currency.

"Ford will not be able to compete against its European rivals if Britain does not take up the single currency soon"
And when you've read that, look at what Ford actually dod in the interim...

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The new investment follows plant closures at Ford’s UK operations last year. As the economic crisis led to a slump in new vehicle sales, the US car firm closed a factory in Southampton, which had been producing transit vans for 40 years, moving production to Turkey, where the company said labour costs were significantly lower.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...dagenham-plant

So they switched a large proportion of the UK production to a country outside of the EU. Hmmm....
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Old 29.02.2016, 14:18
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And when you've read that, look at what Ford actually dod in the interim...



http://www.theguardian.com/business/...dagenham-plant

So they switched a large proportion of the UK production to a country outside of the EU. Hmmm....
Which supports remaining in the EU how exactly? Car production in the UK is at a it's most since the 2008 crash. The point is they were wrong.
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Old 29.02.2016, 15:05
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It depends what you mean by 'simple trading partner' and 'basic EU requirements'.

If you mean things like safety regulations etc. then of course, these need to be complied with.
No, by basic EU requirements I mean stuff like free movement of goods, services, persons and capital, as well as competition and state aid rules plus conformance to the case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union.

UK was an early member of the EU so was able to negotiate away stuff like Schengen and the euro.

New EU trade partners like EFTA have to sign up to these basic EU requirements.

Maybe the UK will be able to negotiate something better but there is a big risk here that future conditions offered to UK will be stricter than today.
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No, by basic EU requirements I mean stuff like free movement of goods, services, persons and capital, as well as competition and state aid rules plus conformance to the case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union.

UK was an early member of the EU so was able to negotiate away stuff like Schengen and the euro.

New EU trade partners like EFTA have to sign up to these basic EU requirements.

Maybe the UK will be able to negotiate something better but there is a big risk here that future conditions offered to UK will be stricter than today.
Were the EURO or Schengen even on the agenda in 1973?
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Old 29.02.2016, 15:35
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Were the EURO or Schengen even on the agenda in 1973?
No, but when they were later introduced the UK was already a EU member and could threaten to veto the whole thing.
A new negotiation might be a different story
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Old 29.02.2016, 15:40
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No, by basic EU requirements I mean stuff like free movement of goods, services, persons and capital, as well as competition and state aid rules plus conformance to the case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union.
well then maybe you can clarify what you mean by 'simple trading partner'?

if the UK wants to stay in the single market then they would have to comply with many things as you state - and unlikely that they would get any concessions on those.

however, if they just want to trade with the EU outside of the preferential single market, then of course they don't need to comply with the single market rules.
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Old 29.02.2016, 15:44
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Unless they don't leave the single market in which case they don't need to do anything at all.

If they do leave the single market, then they would negotiate such treaties in advance of leaving.
As already posted this would trigger “Article 50”; here is the official statement.

"If Britain votes to leave the EU on June 23, Downing Street has said that the Government will trigger “Article 50”, beginning the process of withdrawal and giving the UK two years to negotiate an alternative relationship with Brussels."

Maybe the UK will be able to negotiate a better alternative relationship; just depends which side of the negotiation is in the stronger position and which side has more to lose.
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As already posted this would trigger “Article 50”; here is the official statement.

"If Britain votes to leave the EU on June 23, Downing Street has said that the Government will trigger “Article 50”, beginning the process of withdrawal and giving the UK two years to negotiate an alternative relationship with Brussels."

Maybe the UK will be able to negotiate a better alternative relationship; just depends which side of the negotiation is in the stronger position and which side has more to lose.
i find it highly unlikely that the govt would notify under a50 on the day of the referendum results.

but as i said, the relationship afterwards needs to be decided including whether the UK stays within the single market.
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Old 29.02.2016, 15:58
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well then maybe you can clarify what you mean by 'simple trading partner'?

if the UK wants to stay in the single market then they would have to comply with many things as you state - and unlikely that they would get any concessions on those.

however, if they just want to trade with the EU outside of the preferential single market, then of course they don't need to comply with the single market rules.
About "if they just want to trade with the EU outside of the preferential single market, then of course they don't need to comply with the single market rules"
Indeed, but then the UK will face EU import tariffs.
Possibly UK self testing of product compliance with EU standards will no longer accepted by the EU; I assume there will be a transition period.
Then there is the EU import quota and import licensing system that might be brought into play, for example, Switzerland has to comply - - link to EU database here.
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Old 29.02.2016, 16:02
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i find it highly unlikely that the govt would notify under a50 on the day of the referendum results.

but as i said, the relationship afterwards needs to be decided including whether the UK stays within the single market.
"whether the UK stays within the single market." So far as I understand Brexit can only be implemented by triggering Article 50?

There is an article here.
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