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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:47
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People who have been hurting badly voted for Brexit

will it provide school places, and good quality school places at that ?
will it provide a better NHS ?
will it provide affordable housing ?
will it reverse the bedroom tax and cuts to the disabled ?

Will it? Really. Now who suffers from the above?

Champagne socialists? Really?

Clueless indeed.
Was staying in the EU going to directly help with any of those?
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:47
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He only cares about his causes,
clearly that's not true as he 'campaigned' for in yet made / makes no secret of the fact he wanted out. Power corrupts
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:47
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How can you say with no ability to reform the EU, when the EU now realises it needs reform? Hollande has openly said so, premier MEP's have said so. Other countries are calling for referendums, and the EU is basically petrified of the consequences.

If the Brexit is not a monumental catalyst for reform, then nothing ever will be. There have been many articles over the last few days: http://time.com/4383368/european-union-brexit-reform/ and also http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/e...deep-EU-reform

And accepting free movement does not equal the "same control as the EU had before", it refers to specific areas like free movement etc. There are lots of other areas of politics and law that the EU will no longer have influence over once we leave.
"There are lots of other areas of politics and law that the EU will no longer have influence over once we leave" There is an implicit assumption here that we will not have to accept such things to stay in the single market, c.f Norway, Switzerland.
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:50
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He is a man who feels mandated by the hundreds of thousands of Labour party members who put their trust and faith in him. The only way he will step down (and in his mind betray that trust) is if those same party members vote for another leader and thus relieve him of the massive responsibility that rests on his shoulders.

That is basically how Jeremy Corbyn thinks. As his biographer stated he doesn't care about PLP politics, making friends, being popular or anything like that. He only cares about his causes, so its not vanity or a hunger for power, just sheer bloody mindedness in standing up for the weak, oppressed etc..
Err - no one knows who voted for him. anyone with 3£ could do it (probably many tories did, it the best investment if you want to weaken the Labour party). If he doesn't care about PLP politics he shouldn't be in the labour party.

It takes more than the support of Clicktivists to run a party (luckly he won't have a chance to run a state)
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:51
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If parliament does ignore the referendum - which as we know they are perfectly entitled to do - then they'll also have to deal with a majority of the voting public (52% of a 72% turnout).

An MP creaming off a few extra quid for a duck house with be nothing compared to them ignore the public wish.

An MP is returned to parliament to serve his constituents - how long will his career last if he ignores them?
"An MP is returned to parliament to serve his constituents - how long will his career last if he ignores them?" So in a future election his constituents will vote for an MP form a party that supports Exit? Oh wait there is not one today!
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:55
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Was staying in the EU going to directly help with any of those?
Simply put, yes.
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:56
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"An MP is returned to parliament to serve his constituents - how long will his career last if he ignores them?" So in a future election his constituents will vote for an MP form a party that supports Exit? Oh wait there is not one today!
Well technically UKIP remains - but not following through represents a massive gamble for MPs from "brexit" constituencies.

1) Cross party they'd be unlikely to be re-elected
2) UKIP would target campaign those constituencies
3) UKIP may well end taking a greater number of seats
4) With that becomes an increased chance of a hung/coalition parliament
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Was staying in the EU going to directly help with any of those?
Directly, probably not. But what pays for the above? Taxation, no? So the UK has to make sure big businesses pay fair taxes to pay for them, and as and when Brexit causes a recession- what will happen to taxes?

Bu the main point is that people were clealrly told that Brexit would deliver the money to cure all- and it clearly was pure lies.

http://indy100.independent.co.uk/art...n--WkWJsa0jJrW

the one on the bus wasn't as clear as this one.

Oh and immigration- I forgot about immigration. And Turkey, don't forget Turkey.
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Old 29.06.2016, 14:58
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will it provide a better NHS ?
will it provide affordable housing ?
will it reverse the bedroom tax and cuts to the disabled ?
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Simply put, yes.
And how/what will it do then?

The EU didn't make everything great nor is it the cause of all the ills.
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Old 29.06.2016, 15:06
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Why reply if you don't read the answers.

Taxation = money.

Oh come on then, let's have the Truth:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...4853592&type=3
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Old 29.06.2016, 15:12
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Why reply if you don't read the answers.

Taxation = money.

Oh come on then, let's have the Truth:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...4853592&type=3
Thats wrong, money or wealth is usually debt, which I don't agree with either
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Old 29.06.2016, 15:31
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Well technically UKIP remains - but not following through represents a massive gamble for MPs from "brexit" constituencies.

1) Cross party they'd be unlikely to be re-elected
2) UKIP would target campaign those constituencies
3) UKIP may well end taking a greater number of seats
4) With that becomes an increased chance of a hung/coalition parliament
" UKIP may well end taking a greater number of seats" well they have one seat at the moment so the future is open
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Old 29.06.2016, 15:32
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English will not be an official EU language after Brexit, says senior MEP

http://www.politico.eu/article/engli...it-senior-mep/

She is just stating the administrative situation. Ireland and Malta asked to add Irish and Maltese but did not have to ask for English as it already was in place because of the UK. It's an easy situation to correct IMHO, but it must be identified before it can be corrected. The woman is just stating the administrative facts. There is nothing ridiculous therein.

Fun fact: The French version of the text seems to open for bilingual countries, the English version seems not to.
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Old 29.06.2016, 15:36
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" UKIP may well end taking a greater number of seats" well they have one seat at the moment so the future is open
The Labour party formed their first minority government 24 years after they were formed. UKIP is now 23 years old.

Note Nigel in the background
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Shut up Faltrad.


Why? Once the UK is out, the EU would no longer have a requirement to translate everything into English anymore. By dropping it they would save money.
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Why? Once the UK is out, the EU would no longer have a requirement to translate everything into English anymore. By dropping it they would save money.
By the full £350m the UK pay every nano-second????
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Old 29.06.2016, 15:42
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Why? Once the UK is out, the EU would no longer have a requirement to translate everything into English anymore. By dropping it they would save money.
Don't forget Ireland and Malta. When these two countries joined they notified Gaelic and Maltese respectively because English was already an EU language, but something tells me they would wish to revert to English if its no longer available.
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I think UK should leave EU while it still can (if it wants to). PIIGS countries can't event think about it (and some of them have war-like recession and unemployment caused by EU austerity).
EU administration wants UK suffer. They're just puppets, so looks like EU agenda was set already for shifting the power towards the centre, and blackmailing the other members so that they can't even think about leaving.
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Don't forget Ireland and Malta
Who?
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Dodgyken:


Is there some part of "But as soon as Britain completes the process to leave the EU, English could lose its status." one of us is incapable of understanding?
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