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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 30.06.2016, 15:38
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It's like GoT.

May will be PM, I reckon, to counter balance the unsettling power of Sturgeon in the North, and the growing unrest and impatience of Merkel in the east.




As long as it's not Gove.


I reckon this was the long game all along - they're all great mates aren't they? Cameron, Johnson and Gove? May was keeping out of everything so obviously that she had to be the main contender.


I still stand by what I said before: the leave lot didn't expect to win and are as shocked as everyone else and are now scrabbling to devise some kind of policy/plan/jigsaw puzzle to move forward. At the moment it's more like a giant game of Snakes and Ladders, or Twister. Last Thursday was Jenga.
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so who's going to do a poll for who will be the next PM?
I'm backing Tim Farron because at this point, anything's possible, and he's the only one I genuinely like, support and agree with.
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Old 30.06.2016, 15:41
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So Sturgeon is Sansa Stark, May is Cersei and Merkel is Daenerys?
..and the three dragons: Juncker, Tusk and Schulz
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So Sturgeon is Sansa Stark, May is Cersei and Merkel is Daenerys?

Thanks for that Merkel image I cannot unimagine.
Merkel is more like Mellisandre without the magic necklace.
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Old 30.06.2016, 16:07
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To those complaining about the lies of the Leave campaign. Remember this one?

"There is no prospect of Turkey joining the EU for decades"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36672242
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/sta...34304196313088

And here's the draft basis for an EU Army:

http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eea...0628_02_en.htm
Well if you read the link you posted you will see there are indeed decades of work to do "Chapter 33 on financial and budgetary provisions is the 16th chapter to be opened with Turkey, out of a total of 35.
But five chapters in Turkey's talks are still blocked because of a dispute between the governments in Ankara and Cyprus."

In summary after 11 years of negotiations, one chapter is closed, five chapters are blocked, 10 chapters are in discussion but not yet completed and the majority of 17 are not yet even started (Two chapters do not require negotiation).
Chapters which are not yet opened include some that unlikely to be ever agreed;
  • Judiciary & Fundamental Rights
  • Justice, Freedom & Security
  • Social Policy & Employment
  • Freedom of Movement For Workers


Thank you for confirming there are decades of work before Turkey joins.
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Old 30.06.2016, 16:10
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If an attempt is made to block Brexit then there'll be massive consequences. It's also a certain way to ensure UKIP will be one of the major parties come the next election.
"UKIP will be one of the major parties" likely anyway while Labour implodes
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If an attempt is made to block Brexit then there'll be massive consequences. It's also a certain way to ensure UKIP will be one of the major parties come the next election.
I think Loz must be living on the edge of society. If the leave camp were at all serious, they woul have drawn up something more substantial than a promise that "It will all be alright on the night"

Only 52% voted to leave, and half of them did it as a protest, so don't hold your breath.

The law says Parliament must decide by changing the 1972 Act of Parliament that took the UK into the EEC. Does anyone have a problem with that? I don't think the one UKIP MP will have much sway, as about 85% of MPs are in favour of remaining.
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not necessarily.

If you have different groups all being in favour of an exit but having different views of what to do after, it may be better to team together for the vote and then work the small stuff out after rather than vice versa.

It's like having a discussion at home

1) shall we repaint the living room?
2) what colour?

If you discuss point 2 before point 1 you may get lost in bitching and nothing will ever happen.
That's the positive way to phrase it. The negative way would be, because you don't say what to expect everybody can make up their own dream.

That's why the typical Leave proponent can now claim that Brexit need not put a stop to FMP even though that's what seems to have riled people the most.
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Old 30.06.2016, 16:26
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Only 52% voted to leave, and half of them did it as a protest, so don't hold your breath.
Says who?

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The law says Parliament must decide by changing the 1972 Act of Parliament that took the UK into the EEC. Does anyone have a problem with that? I don't think the one UKIP MP will have much sway, as about 85% of MPs are in favour of remaining.
No, but if they choose to ignore the referendum result then they'll be punished at the next general election. UKIP will take votes from both Tories and Labour.
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Old 30.06.2016, 16:31
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I think Loz must be living on the edge of society. If the leave camp were at all serious, they woul have drawn up something more substantial than a promise that "It will all be alright on the night"

Only 52% voted to leave, and half of them did it as a protest, so don't hold your breath.

The law says Parliament must decide by changing the 1972 Act of Parliament that took the UK into the EEC. Does anyone have a problem with that? I don't think the one UKIP MP will have much sway, as about 85% of MPs are in favour of remaining.
Actually they're not sure what the law says:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...he-eu-36671629
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So Gove has shafted his mate Cameron and now he's shafted his friend Boris. What a pleasant chap.

If I was a Tory I would have Cameron and Osbourne back in a heartbeat. All is forgiven.
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So Gove has shafted his mate Cameron and now he's shafted his friend Boris. What a pleasant chap.

If I was a Tory I would have Cameron and Osbourne back in a heartbeat. All is forgiven.
I dont think anyone wanted Cameron to go, or Osborne. They were effective leaders, whether you agreed with their policies or not.

For people pointing out that we might not implement the Leave even though its the will of the people because there isnt major MP support, take a quick look at labour right now, with the leader sticking to the will of the people but the PLP going against it. what a tidy and neat bed that is right now.

I think that we will wiggle out of implementing it, in a half baked fudge saying we have but in reality keeping all the key components but it will just make us more of a basket case than we already are right now.
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Says who?



No, but if they choose to ignore the referendum result then they'll be punished at the next general election. UKIP will take votes from both Tories and Labour.


It won't - folk will vote for independent candidates, or the Green party (is that still a party?) before many vote for anything Farage has had his grubby little fingers in.
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It won't - folk will vote for independent candidates, or the Green party (is that still a party?) before many vote for anything Farage has had his grubby little fingers in.
Wanna bet? That's what so laughable about all of Corbyn's cheerleaders at the moment. They really think the average working family cares about diversity, gender equality and social justice. Labour are that out of touch. They've already lost swathes of voters to UKIP. But the best part is, middle class Labour supporters can't even see or accept that this is happening.

Just because working class voters aren't outspoken on Facebook, social media and internet forums, don't think they don't have a voice.
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No, but if they choose to ignore the referendum result then they'll be punished at the next general election. UKIP will take votes from both Tories and Labour.
In a parallel Universe, maybe....

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, LibDem membership has increased by 1 every minute since the Brexit result, and by more than 10k in the last three days alone. That makes me very happy.

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In a parallel Universe, maybe....

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, LibDem membership has increased by 1 every minute since the Brexit result, and by more than 10k in the last three days alone. That makes me very happy.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...e-brexit-vote/
from a party membership perspective they'll be catching up with UKIP before you know it.
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Wanna bet? That's what so laughable about all of Corbyn's cheerleaders at the moment. They really think the average working family cares about diversity, gender equality and social justice. Labour are that out of touch. They've already lost swathes of voters to UKIP. But the best part is, middle class Labour voters can't even see or accept that this is happening.

Just because working class voters aren't outspoken on Facebook, social media and internet forums, don't think they don't have a voice.
maybe you have a different class of facebook friends than I do, but I'm getting a lot of stuff that even as a Brexitter I find goes way too far and uses a language that I don't find acceptable. Sadly the leave camp are equally overshooting their target. What I'm not seeing from either side is anything constructive or reconciliatory.

Whatever happened to the British sporting spirit and being magnanimous in victory and dignified in defeat and all that?
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Actually they're not sure what the law says: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36671629
From your quoted link, (which I had previously read)

Legislation can only be altered by legislation.
And so, by extension, if a prime minister triggered Article 50 and so put the UK on a one-way road out of the EU without Parliament's backing, he or she would be overriding the 1972 European Communities Act, which provides for the UK's membership of the EU and for the EU treaties to have effect in domestic law.

The Article 50 process would cut across and emasculate the 1972 act, and so, the argument goes, the prime minister needs the backing of a new act of Parliament to give him of her the constitutional authority to push the Leave button.
Writing in the Times newspaper, the crossbench peer Lord Pannick QC, an eminent specialist in public law, said: "Whether Parliament would enact legislation to allow for an Article 50 withdrawal is a matter for it.
"However, without such legislation, the prime minister cannot lawfully give a notification."
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So maybe a reckless Prime Minister would see his effigy burnt on November 5th ?
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Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, LibDem membership has increased by 1 every minute since the Brexit result
Let us know when their parliamentary membership increases by 1 eve. Just 1.
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I dont think anyone wanted Cameron to go, or Osborne. They were effective leaders, whether you agreed with their policies or not.

For people pointing out that we might not implement the Leave even though its the will of the people because there isnt major MP support, take a quick look at labour right now, with the leader sticking to the will of the people but the PLP going against it. what a tidy and neat bed that is right now.

I think that we will wiggle out of implementing it, in a half baked fudge saying we have but in reality keeping all the key components but it will just make us more of a basket case than we already are right now.
If they go for EEA option then yes, they will have strictly taken us out of the EU, but it will have no impact on immigration, or the £350m that would have most definitely gone to the NHS instead!
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