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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 30.06.2016, 22:03
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May seems to be strong (although there's something strange about such a vocal Remain supporter benefitting from the outcome of the Leave campaign). I'd rather IDS enters the fray though.
Not only is IDS a nasty lying shit but a thick one at that.
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Not only is IDS a nasty lying shit but a thick one at that.
If "IDS" were to be removed from the above, the statement would apply to most politicians.
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May seems to be strong (although there's something strange about such a vocal Remain supporter benefitting from the outcome of the Leave campaign). I'd rather IDS enters the fray though.
Yay... A return to surfdom! If he gets his way we'll ripup the human rights act and the government can do what they like to the poor and disabled. Hey, it might even get go bad that the UK gets kicked out of the EU under article 9 and we won't have to worry about triggerring article 50. We probably wouldn't get that pesky two years negotiation thing, which will be handy as when we nullify the human rights act, we nullify the NI peace treaty so we might be a bit preoccupied with the return of the Troubles, but at least we can get some proper British terrorists shooting and bombing rather than these foriegn ones we had to import....
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What does that mean, Camron will be twiddling his tumbs until October and entire GB is disabled and adrift?!
The guy has a job to do and the people told him in which direction ..... whether he likes it or not. And if he thinks the job should be tailored to his wishes rather than the other way around he should leave immediately, no? An entire country can't go "on holidays".

I'm just imagining our 7 Bundesräte would just drop their penciles when we decide something they don't like and tell us, they'll leave in 4 months .... in the mean time Swiss politics is not happening. LOL
"he should leave immediately" He wants to leave immediately. It is not his problem if the Conservative party will take some time to find a replacement.

In Switzerland it also takes some years for the referendum results to be implemented; did you never notice this?
For example, the MEI referendum was passed in February 2014 but until now nothing was implemented by the Bundesrat.
If you want to compare UK with Switzerland then you should really think about what this means?
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Old 30.06.2016, 22:29
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I was first:


Look again.
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"he should leave immediately" He wants to leave immediately. It is not his problem if the Conservative party will take some time to find a replacement.

In Switzerland it also takes some years for the referendum results to be implemented; did you never notice this?
For example, the MEI referendum was passed in February 2014 but until now nothing was implemented by the Bundesrat.
If you want to compare UK with Switzerland then you should really think about what this means?
Oh yeah, we're very slow (makes us stable maybe?) but nobody here says "I won't do anything about this subject, the next one should ..... and the next one comes in 4 months.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Camerons good-bye speech (he was so civil it surprised me) I just think preparations for negotiations (not the negotiations themselves necessarily as not possible) with all these countries who seem to have already offered should really be started now and his party being in the lead has to start those procedures.
Triggering Art. 50 after he left is a very good idea but I think there are things to do until then to be good and ready by then (as far as this is possible at all as it's a first)

"If you want to compare UK with Switzerland then you should really think about what this means?" Yeah, tell me about it, I'm thinking about nothing else lately, trying to figure GB out
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Old 30.06.2016, 22:54
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Ah, this thread must surely rank as one of EF's finest. Other than that Billag one. Put the kettle on, this may take a few minutes.

This could all be about TTIP as much as Brexit. TTIP was a political timebomb nobody wanted to spring on the public. It's been shifted out of the way, and another attempt on Fortress Europe is in effect. Can anyone tell me again why there are so many displaced people banging on the door? Who's behind all that? The Whitehouse has been awfully cool towards the UK over the last few terms. When terrorists go quiet there's usually something afoot; Maybe the tactics aren't any different for Washington. Back channels are always corresponding.

Remember, cyber warfare is a permanent reality. We're constantly at war. There's a never ending political campaign. It seems it doesn't really matter anymore; it was never about the little people, the taxpayers. It's about power. Human Nature. Handing on the misery.

Either that or the British Government is a bunch of incompetent cockwombles.

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Seeing as you already have close ties to the EU, try offering them some money.
Unto Caesar...

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So they knew in an disagreed and unclear way. OK, I take your word for it. Coordinating positions is key here, the smarter move is to do it before the vote, but it's never too late. Good luck to them.
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...like get David Miliband back in and then win in 2020.
The Guardian would have a melt down

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So Gove has shafted his mate Cameron and now he's shafted his friend Boris. What a pleasant chap.

If I was a Tory I would have Cameron and Osbourne back in a heartbeat. All is forgiven.
At this rate, Maggie and Ronnie feel like the Doobie Brothers.

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You seem to be assuming everything (most) written in social media is written by humans. Think again, inflammatory posts seem to be particularly prone to being machine-made.
Twitter is almost intolerable for bots clogging up feeds.

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I have been visiting family the UK off and on since before the winter of discontent. Once I became an adult I slowly became aware that people of my own age often didn't ask what one did for a living, but rather if. Yes, most of my visits were to Liverpool and Manchester, but the very fact that it is a common question does not bode well for any nation.
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Lord Heseltine told BBC Radio Five Live: "... But the pain of it will be felt by all of us and, if it doesn't get resolved shortly, by a generation yet to come."
Dark days; rioting; despair; grinding poverty; the seeds of hell were normal for many back in the 80s. It would be treacherous to allow this to return. We're fighting the tide as it is.

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If anyone knows about ripping the Tory party apart, it is the backstabbing Brutus that is Michael Heseltine.
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Old 30.06.2016, 23:00
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Nigel Farage said back in May that 52-48 win for the Remain side in the EU referendum would be “unfinished business”.

In an interview with the Mirror the Ukip leader said such a narrow margin would prompt him to fight for a second referendum.

He said: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

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Old 30.06.2016, 23:10
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Oh yeah, we're very slow (makes us stable maybe?) but nobody here says "I won't do anything about this subject, the next one should ..... and the next one comes in 4 months.
Don't get me wrong, I liked Camerons good-bye speech (he was so civil it surprised me) I just think preparations for negotiations (not the negotiations themselves necessarily as not possible) with all these countries who seem to have already offered should really be started now and his party being in the lead has to start those procedures.
Triggering Art. 50 after he left is a very good idea but I think there are things to do until then to be good and ready by then (as far as this is possible at all as it's a first)

"If you want to compare UK with Switzerland then you should really think about what this means?" Yeah, tell me about it, I'm thinking about nothing else lately, trying to figure GB out
"nobody here says "I won't do anything about this subject, the next one should ..... and the next one comes in 4 months."

On July 9,2010 Moritz Leuenberger of Switzerland’s Socialist Party (SP) announced that he will be resigning from the government at the end of the year
On 12 November 2008, Schmid resigned from the Federal Council, effective 1 January 2009.
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The British political and social situations are sadly unstable now until who knows when? At least that Hitler/Brexit vids on Youtube are a source of levity.
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Old 30.06.2016, 23:31
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Either that or the British Government is a bunch of incompetent cockwombles.
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This is my provisional assessment of the situation. I am not really a fan of conspiracy theory, and there is not much evidence to make be believe that the US Government entirely devoid of cockwombles.

I disagree with your thesis of cyberwarefare, although I do see there is a lot of cyberdistraction going on.

I think it was a political gambit, and none of them thought for a moment that the public would actually choose Brexit.
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"their own garden gate. " How posh!! Which tower block is that?
Good illustration of the gap between reality and what politicians think!




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Old 30.06.2016, 23:44
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This is my provisional assessment of the situation. I am not really a fan of conspiracy theory, and there is not much evidence to make be believe that the US Government entirely devoid of cockwombles.

I disagree with your thesis of cyberwarefare, although I do see there is a lot of cyberdistraction going on.

I think it was a political gambit, and none of them thought for a moment that the public would actually choose Brexit.
They're cockwombles but there's something peculiarly compulsive about the whole human drama. Can't wait for Charlie Brooker's 2016 Wipe.
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They're cockwombles but there's something peculiarly compulsive about the whole human drama. Can't wait for Charlie Brooker's 2016 Wipe.


I'm hoping Philomena Cunk is let loose at Trump.
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I'm hoping Philomena Cunk is let loose at Trump.
I'm not sure how that would make any difference.

What distinguishes Trump from the cockwombles is that he says the things that the cockwombles have spent their lives learning not to say.

The people are angry, and by God they want their whippingboy. That is exactly what Trump is riding on.

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I'm not sure how that would make any difference.

What distinguishes Trump from the cockwombles is that he says the things that the cockwombles have spent their lives learning not to say.

The people are angry, and by God they want their whippingboy. That is exactly what Trump is riding on.
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"nobody here says "I won't do anything about this subject, the next one should ..... and the next one comes in 4 months."

On July 9,2010 Moritz Leuenberger of Switzerland’s Socialist Party (SP) announced that he will be resigning from the government at the end of the year
On 12 November 2008, Schmid resigned from the Federal Council, effective 1 January 2009.
yes, and? Bundesrat is a job like any other - you resign when you don't want to do it anymore. Yet you work full throttle during notice-time.

I didn't understand, what you're telling me here. But we're getting off track of the thread ... sorry everybody.
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"Humour can get in under the door while seriousness is still fumbling at the handle" - Chesterton
Presuming that they even get the joke, how is it that you think a "foreign bitch" making fun of Trump will influence American voters?
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Presuming that they even get the joke, how is it that you think a "foreign bitch" making fun of Trump will influence American voters?
Getting people politically conscious is generally good for Democracy. Decent comedy holds a mirror up to the audience: "This, this is what makes you laugh, as you recognise yourself". Hopefully, this leads to understanding of the other, via exercising your empathic attributes. Comedy's a force for good in politics.

I saw Ruby Wax follow Trump around on TV many years ago. She was shocked at the complete absence of humour about the man. And was kicked out.
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Getting people politically conscious is generally good for Democracy. Decent comedy holds a mirror up to the audience: "This, this is what makes you laugh, as you recognise yourself". Hopefully, this leads to understanding of the other, via exercising your empathic attributes. Comedy's a force for good in politics.

I saw Ruby Wax follow Trump around on TV many years ago. She was shocked at the complete absence of humour about the man. And was kicked out.
Trump has no sense of humor, I think he is like most reptiles.

The two party system in the states is different. Comedy there is one of:

a) One of their comedians poking fun at your guy (disregard completely)
b) On of our comedians poking fun at their guy (look how stupid)
c) Some 3rd party comedian making fun at both or either (might just be funny, or might not - see a & b above)
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