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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 01.07.2016, 00:40
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Quite a few differences, but one big one is that the Swiss government is legally bound to implement the referendum conclusions, whereas the UK vote has no actual legal weight behind it, so could quite easily be ignored by this or a future government of they so decided.
Depends what is defined as legal.

In a controversial decision the High Court in Lausanne has decided by four to one that the Freedom of Movement Agreement with the EU is higher than the MEI referendum

So if an EU citizen is offered a job in Switzerland and is blocked by a law coming out of the MEI then the citizen can apply to the Swiss court to have the blocking removed.

Presumably this decision will be appealed and taken to the Federal Court "Bundesgericht" for a final decision.

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Old 01.07.2016, 00:43
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I'm not sure how that would make any difference.

What distinguishes Trump from the cockwombles is that he says the things that the cockwombles have spent their lives learning not to say.

It wouldn't make any difference at all, however the entertainment (in a traffic accident kind of way) would be immense. I'd just like to see them try have a conversation/interview, for my own amusement.


Or Louis Theroux - has he ever interviewed Trump?

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Exactly.


BTW "Cockwomble" has sneaked into my current top 5 insulting names list, knocking "twatfink" down to 6th.
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Old 01.07.2016, 00:53
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I was reading that the French finance minister has raised hopes that a new British PM might be able to negotiate access to the single market while curbing EU arrivals.



God bless you Murray.

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Old 01.07.2016, 01:17
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Meanwhile, Corbyn is taking a page from Trump's playbook.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36676018

Was that a desperate attempt at popularity?
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Old 01.07.2016, 01:26
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Meanwhile, Corbyn is taking a page from Trump's playbook.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36676018

Was that a desperate attempt at popularity?
What is truly desperate is this latest attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn.. it just never stops



Is this really anti-semitism?
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British politics right now is making American politics look staid and boring again. Your controversies certainly have more facets with a lot more flare.
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Old 01.07.2016, 02:05
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What is truly desperate is this latest attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn.. it just never stops
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Is this really anti-semitism?
Wow! I understood what he said, and the best of its intentions. Except he did somehow equate the Israeli government with ISIS in a HUGE gaffe that was so genuinely said in true living color, that there is hardly any room for him to walk it back. Huge OOPS!
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Old 01.07.2016, 02:08
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Meanwhile, Corbyn is taking a page from Trump's playbook.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36676018

Was that a desperate attempt at popularity?
I think you're giving him way too much credit.

Corbyn isn't a troll. He actually believes what he says and when he offends an ally, its not part of a Trumpesque diabolical plan, but its because he hasn't thought things through.

His honesty is what many people like about him, and I think he deserves kudos for that. But sometimes his stumblings can reveal the more unpleasant sides of his character.
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Old 01.07.2016, 02:29
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Risitas gives his assessment
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Old 01.07.2016, 07:59
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It wouldn't make any difference at all, however the entertainment (in a traffic accident kind of way) would be immense.
Perhaps my earnestness has the upper hand over my sense of humour. As the holder of a Canadian passport I am concerned that the neighbors to the south are about to choose between a reptile and an alien in a human suit.
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Old 01.07.2016, 08:17
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I think you're giving him way too much credit.

Corbyn isn't a troll. He actually believes what he says and when he offends an ally, its not part of a Trumpesque diabolical plan, but its because he hasn't thought things through.

His honesty is what many people like about him, and I think he deserves kudos for that. But sometimes his stumblings can reveal the more unpleasant sides of his character.
I've watched the clip and I fail to see how what he says indicates that he is an anti Semite. He did mention Israel and ISIS in the same sentence, but then again, so did I. Perhaps I am too thick, perhaps I am an anti Semite: thick would explain more of my personal experience.

I think Corbyn is a decent honest man, and I suspect that is exactly his problem. I also think that this is exactly what has gone wrong in politics worldwide since Gerald Ford fell down the steps of Airforce one.

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HSBC, Barclays to keep headquarters in London despite Brexit uncertainty http://business.asiaone.com/news/hsb...it-uncertainty
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Just found a fiver in my pocket.
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Blair potentially signals his interest as negotitator
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-talks-that-w/
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I've watched the clip and I fail to see how what he says indicates that he is an anti Semite. He did mention Israel and ISIS in the same sentence, but then again, so did I. Perhaps I am too thick, perhaps I am an anti Semite: thick would explain more of my personal experience.
I'm as thick as you are, then.

There are some sensitive little flowers out there who are just itching to be offended. They see racism, sexism, all sorts of ism in just about anything. I've probably just been flowerist (florist?) in this post.

I'd vote Trump if I could, just to get rid of the PC curse. Is he the alien or the other one?
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Yes.

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Yes.

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I'll bet the H2SO4 omelette is illegal huevos rancheros in disguise. Trump told me that's a bad, bad omelette. I'll take the broken glass, it'll come in useful in a street fight against some tacos and a quesadilla pool boy.
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o, let me get this straight… the leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave, so his party held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else could lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which many people now think was just angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they’d all done nothing to help them.

Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined any chance of leading because the man who thought he couldn’t lose, did – but resigned before actually doing the thing the vote had been about. The man who’d always thought he’d lead next, campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash – and he was, but it did, but he’s not resigned, but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can’t become leader. Which means the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead.

Which means she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party’s view of this view is the opposite of the opposition’s. And the opposition aren’t yet opposing anything because the leader isn’t listening to his party, who aren’t listening to the country, who aren’t listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all. However, none of their opponents actually want to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there’s not yet anything actually on the table to oppose anyway. And if no one ever does do the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic and if any one ever does do it, it will be awful.

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Blair potentially signals his interest as negotitator
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-talks-that-w/
Blair Rich Project is on CH5 next week

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o, let me get this straight… the leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave, so his party held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else could lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which many people now think was just angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they’d all done nothing to help them.

Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined any chance of leading because the man who thought he couldn’t lose, did – but resigned before actually doing the thing the vote had been about. The man who’d always thought he’d lead next, campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash – and he was, but it did, but he’s not resigned, but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can’t become leader. Which means the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead.

Which means she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party’s view of this view is the opposite of the opposition’s. And the opposition aren’t yet opposing anything because the leader isn’t listening to his party, who aren’t listening to the country, who aren’t listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all. However, none of their opponents actually want to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there’s not yet anything actually on the table to oppose anyway. And if no one ever does do the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic and if any one ever does do it, it will be awful.
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