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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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And here a great article about a young man from Prague- about his first visit beyond the border when he was 10, about their fears from Russia and about what it now feels like to be a second class European.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...m_source=atltw
It is a story that a girl wrote. It is great, fits for my life, too. Though I tend to not glorify Anglophone countries, lived in them enough to know better. The 2nd class citizenship can follow one anywhere, here one is made to feel it sometimes, too, by some people. The best is to smile at ignorance and continue one's work, projects and dreams, just like the autor of the article and her husband.

This is, btw, one single epic EF thread. A legend. I am going to ruin it a little, I know - but thanks, community, for being civil and debating in a classy way. 90 pages, wow.
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Old 03.07.2016, 13:14
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179 pages, wow.


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Guess the other 89 pages weren't so civil and classy.
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Old 03.07.2016, 13:23
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Guess the other 89 pages weren't so civil and classy.
MusicChick counted the score taking the coda into account.
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Old 03.07.2016, 13:27
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More lies exposed.

It generated 700 complaints from people who had no first-hand experience but decided to complain anyway.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-n...shire-36693136
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I see 90 pages, are you, guys, reading it on smartwatches? I guess I have it set up this way...must be. Long pages (ie. carpet of text), easier to mod.

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The handling of the migrant crisis for example has failed and it's down to Merkel and her influence over the Brussels. Without any effective rules/clear and fair methods in place to deal with immigration, Merkel could call the shots and invite families and children without support to march across Europe to her front door. Encouraging more and more people to cross the dangerous seas and get dumped in poor Greece, once the balkans closed their doors.

What a mess! Médecins Sans Frontiers have told the EU to stuff their donation this year in protest at the inhumane way immigrants are being dumped in Greece and the dodgy quick-solution, ill-thought out EU deal done with Turkey. You would think that sound thinking would've sought an effective and positive solution with all countries and human rights organizations involved in the process, but unfortunately the EU doesn't work like that.

Of course you have to acknowledge the many positives to the EU's work and one which I have always agreed with, and admired is now under threat. A pity.

The EU could be great, if only it would reform.. soon it'll be too late. Cameron told them last week their failing on immigration was to blame for Brexit, I wonder the reaction..
"Cameron told them last week their failing on immigration " Yet the city with by far the highest immigrant population, London, voted to remain?
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Here is a good petition to sign:

"The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further."


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
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Now this is an interesting development, The European Union is to show its determination to make no concessions to the UK on Brexit terms by telling Switzerland it will lose access to the single market if it goes ahead with plans to impose controls on the free movement of EU citizens:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ement-citizens
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Now this is an interesting development, The European Union is to show its determination to make no concessions to the UK on Brexit terms by telling Switzerland it will lose access to the single market if it goes ahead with plans to impose controls on the free movement of EU citizens:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ement-citizens
It's the last signs of life for the EU as we know it...One more LEAVE referendum in Netherlands or France and Bye Bye EU. In 5 years we'll be laughing for these undemocratic measures the EU is forcing upon sovereign states!
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Obviously you were 3 and a half when Yugoslavia broke apart, so you don't know much about it, don't you?
Well I seem to know more then you and your Wiki search and I was a bit older then 3 and a half.
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your Wiki search and I was a bit older then 3 and a half.
You were starting kindergarten?

And for the Wiki search:

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Idefix, you made your point- but could we go back to the UK now, and Brexit- and perhaps start another thread about the history of Yugoslavia and its later break-up. Please. My mum was born in 1915, and went to Court twice in 1927 and 1928- and was devastated when King Alexander was assassinated in 1934, and then followed the history very closely all her life (she died 2009 aged 94). I do have amazing pictures of her visits, and intend to go to Bled soon to see what it is like now.


Thinking about it- you could also say that Switzerland was thrown toegether totally artificially, different languages, different cultures, different religions and traditions too - they chose ot make it work- even though being pipped at the post in most referendi and votes, still grates very much and can be hugely frustrating. And the Jura question is still grumbling. But ...

Back to the UK now, and possible consequences for EU members living in CH.
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Here is a good petition to sign:

"The British people have spoken. We have voted to leave the EU. We want article 50 of the Lisbon treaty to be invoked immediately. We still have two years to discuss our exit from the EU, but we do not wish to delay it any further."


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618
Or this one;

Let Parliament decide whether or not we remain a member of the European Union

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It's the last signs of life for the EU as we know it...One more LEAVE referendum in Netherlands or France and Bye Bye EU. In 5 years we'll be laughing for these undemocratic measures the EU is forcing upon sovereign states!
"these undemocratic measures the EU is forcing upon sovereign states" Do you have any examples of "undemocratic measures " or is this just propaganda?
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Or this one;

Let Parliament decide whether or not we remain a member of the European Union

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Why the parliament? Already the people who elected that parliament made a decision for leave. Why should the parliament now decide on something that is already chosen by the people?
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Or this one;

Let Parliament decide whether or not we remain a member of the European Union

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I think it would make sense for Parliament to formally 'ratify' the referendum decision.
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"these undemocratic measures the EU is forcing upon sovereign states" Do you have any examples of "undemocratic measures " or is this just propaganda?
The Irish rejected the Lisbon treaty, but EU did't let the democratic will take place, the treaty was forced after second referendum.

The French also REJECTED the Lisbon treaty, yet somehow EU didn't care about democracy than

The EU are clearly ignoring the free will of Swiss people and are not accepting their democratic decision.
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Because that is how the UK works - perhaps! Do you want to impose your own rules on the UK hmmm? Where is that face palm when you need it?

Now, perhaps you missed this earlier, so I'll post it again. This guy will explain much better than most, because he is an expert in EU and UK Law- unlike you and me, perhaps- and addresses you previous comment perfectly. Now I know Gove advised people not to listen to experts- but as Professor Brian May says- not listening to experts is like going back to the caves:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...ponse-11538180

It was made clear to the UK that cherry picking the EU is not acceptable- and the same applies to France and Ireland- and to those that have bilateral agreements with them, like CH.
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Because that is how the UK works - perhaps! Do you want to impose your own rules on the UK hmmm? Where is that face palm when you need it?

Now, perhaps you missed this earlier, so I'll post it again. This guy will explain much better than most, because he is an expert in EU and UK Law- unlike you and me, perhaps- and addresses you previous comment perfectly. Now I know Gove advised people not to listen to experts- but as Professor Brian May says- not listening to experts is like going back to the caves:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...ponse-11538180
Odile, UK people voted LEAVE. It's up to the UK leaders now to respect the decison of the people. And that's the end of it.
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