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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 05.07.2016, 18:09
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No, the Brexit leaders are resigning one by one; none of them are running a campaign.
Breaking away from the EU has been in the DNA of the Conservative party from the beginning. Its not something B.Johnson nor Gove invented. It is fundamental to conservative outlook. They only made use of it to advance their careers. They might actually even believe in it.

Its good for those personalities to stand down so the country can face its new reality.

As long as the UK plays its cards right, there should be no disruption in regards to the US. Republicans are already pointing out that the UK will not be sent to the back of the queue. Furthermore, you will likely see increased activity from Asia; e.g., India, South Korea, Japan and even China. Relationships with Commonwealth countries should remain intact.

Or the government can take the Remain perspective, in which case, the UK would have cluster'f'ed itself. At this point, I think this is what remainers are still trying to sell, no?
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I always felt only net tax payers (after benefits) should vote, preferably only ones paying the higher rate, then it's people contributing to the system regardless of education. Plenty of billionaires don't have degrees.
Or a weighted vote.

Everyone gets a vote of atleast 1, then that is multiplied by some factor that depends on, for example, log of that persons tax contribution.
Someone paying a million in taxes would get six votes then.

Economists could then stop writing op-eds, and have fun twiddling with the factors
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Therefore your criticizing their decison to do so is effectively implying they are stupid for putting their own interests ahead of those of educated rich people?
What if their conclusion was wrong?
What if they would be in even worse if UK never had been in the EU?
And perhaps, will be as a consequence of Brexit?
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Old 05.07.2016, 18:28
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Glad you don't consider Gove to be a leader
He is spending all his time running his campaign to be PM; he is certainly not running around looking for trade deals
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Old 05.07.2016, 18:33
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What if their conclusion was wrong?
What if they would be in even worse if UK never had been in the EU?
And perhaps, will be as a consequence of Brexit?
The fate of the UK doesn't rest on the circumstances of the EU with or without Brexit. The fate of the UK rests on whether or not it will get in gear and get to work. That is self-determination, self-governance, sovereignty and control.
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Annoyingly gender analysis shows that both Men and Women voted 48/52 - meaning we are going to miss out on Marton cutting another group from the voting population.


Voting is overrated - stick to a dictatorship they are far more productive.
"meaning we are going to miss out on Marton cutting another group from the voting population. "
Good of you to put words in my mouth.

I actually wrote "I don't care who votes "

I conclude from your inability to follow logical statements you come from the deprived half?
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Think what you wish about Juncker- but he is absolutely spot on here:

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...5017416242868/

tragically!
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But then surely it is not their illiteracy / stupidity that led them to vote as they did but their perspective and actual situation.

Therefore your criticizing their decison to do so is effectively implying they are stupid for putting their own interests ahead of those of educated rich people?



But would a remain vote have averted this? I think not.
"Therefore your criticising their decision to do so is effectively implying they are stupid for putting their own interests ahead of those of educated rich people?"

No, in my view they were stupid to vote for something which is actually against their own interests.
We have already seen the currency fall which increases the costs of imports; now who will that cost increase impact more - the rich or the poor?

At least this solves the EU banana shape issue; they will anyway priced out of reach of the poor

The Bank of England says its gloomier pre-referendum forecasts for Brexit are now its central forecast.

A lack of business investment has been seen as a key driver of the UK's lacklustre productivity growth, which in turn is judged to be holding down wages.
It is too soon for official figures on incoming investment (from other countries) but anecdotal evidence suggests this is falling.

Most economic forecasters are now forecasting a recession for the UK due to the Brexit vote which is hardly in the self interest of the poor?
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What if their conclusion was wrong?
What if they would be in even worse if UK never had been in the EU?
And perhaps, will be as a consequence of Brexit?
And what if they are right and the Remain camp are wrong? What has been most illuminating is how much the Remain camp is a cult and convinced that it is right and has been the least willing to look objectively or consider other views and possiblities other than Leave==Racist.
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How do you respond to the many people like this chap though? Not posting againg to mock- but do you really think his dreams will come true?

https://www.facebook.com/veryBrexitp...7496853059503/

Did you watch the Panorama programme? About people who have lost everything and their dignity since the pits closed- and voted because that's the only thing they felt they could do to protest? And the Cornish and the Welsh- who know have come to realise they won't get EU money anymore- and our own GVT is not going to pick up the tab???

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Think what you wish about Juncker- but he is absolutely spot on here:

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...5017416242868/

tragically!
It's rather tall coming from the man who whose insensitivity and unwillingness to change course so often fuelled Euroscepticism - and who thus shares responsibiloity for the Brexit to go aboiut speaking of "those responsible" in such a detached way.
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It's rather tall coming from the man who whose insensitivity and unwillingness to change course so often fuelled Euroscepticism - and who thus shares responsibiloity for the Brexit to go aboiut speaking of "those responsible" in such a detached way.
Its hilarious because everyone knows they are keen to "punish" the UK for Brexit. But it seems they had a game plan contingent on Article 50, which frustrates them because the UK will take its time. They will have to wait.

You also have to consider how foolish it is to try to punish the UK, and where their heads really are at. They will not be able to inflict punishment on the UK without hurting themselves. You really have to question the rationality of these folks.

Juncker may be out before Article 50, after which grown adults can have a rational discussion on how to work everything out for everybody. This isn't where their heads are at the moment.

Keep them waiting. That is business, and it is more entertaining.
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It's rather tall coming from the man who whose insensitivity and unwillingness to change course so often fuelled Euroscepticism - and who thus shares responsibiloity for the Brexit to go aboiut speaking of "those responsible" in such a detached way.
If Juncker was a smart or wise man he would know that now is the time for him to shut up - further and continued criticism of the UK after Brexit is rather arrogant and foolhardy.

He continues to be a part of the EU problem and he must be acutely aware at this stage that his time is almost up
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Its hilarious because everyone knows they are keen to "punish" the UK for Brexit. But it seems they had a game plan contingent on Article 50, which frustrates them because the UK will take its time. They will have to wait.

You also have to consider how foolish it is to try to punish the UK, and where their heads really are at. They will not be able to inflict punishment on the UK without hurting themselves. You really have to question the rationality of these folks.

Juncker may be out before Article 50, after which grown adults can have a rational discussion on how to work everything out for everybody. This isn't where their heads are at the moment.

Keep them waiting. That is business, and it is more entertaining.
They haven't selected a new PM yet so it will be a while. From a negotiation standpoint, it may make sense to wait a while and see if Frexit or Nexit occurs. May also be some movement on some of the Eastern European countries.

Domestically it will allow the panickers to calm down a bit and time for people to work through the different issues.
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If Juncker was a smart or wise man he would know that now is the time for him to shut up - further and continued criticism of the UK after Brexit is rather arrogant and foolhardy.

He continues to be a part of the EU problem and he must be acutely aware at this stage that his time is almost up
Merkel should have listened to the UK and not installed him in the first place.
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The fate of the UK doesn't rest on the circumstances of the EU with or without Brexit. The fate of the UK rests on whether or not it will get in gear and get to work. That is self-determination, self-governance, sovereignty and control.
I can hear "Rule Britannia" playing in the background

Looking at the list of contenders for the new PM job I do not have high hopes; still sometimes people can surprise one!
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I understand. Auditory hallucinations are symptoms perhaps for another website or thread.
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Email I just got from a supplier. Look's like some businesses are already trying to cash in!

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As a result of the UK referendum, the pound has weakened against other currencies.

We have a number of multinational and overseas customers that operate in multiple currencies and wish to extend the opportunity to take advantage of this, and reduce the cost of services.

If you have foreign currency that you can convert into pounds to pay for our services and wish to take advantage of this change in the spot rate, we are offering customers the chance to pay upfront for 12 months and enjoy the discount that this weakened pound has created.

If you wish for an upfront invoice to be generated on the account, please get in touch with us and we will create this for you.

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And what if they are right and the Remain camp are wrong? What has been most illuminating is how much the Remain camp is a cult and convinced that it is right and has been the least willing to look objectively or consider other views and possiblities other than Leave==Racist.
I worked in the UK from 1971 to 1977 Phil, and what I remember was not at all pleasant.
We couldn't buy simple 8K computer memories in the UK, there was a six month delivery time. We asked our office in Texas if they could help us: he bought them from Radio Shack on his lunch break.
Have things changed since Thatcher mauled the UK industry? I don't know exactly, but based on my business connections with British Rail in 2002, I am not so sure the confidence shown by the leavers can be implemented today.

One thing is for certain, if the EU chucks the UK out, they could refuse to deliver the wheels, wings and engines for the Airbus: that'll learn 'em!
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I worked in the UK from 1971 to 1977 Phil, and what I remember was not at all pleasant.
We couldn't buy simple 8K computer memories in the UK, there was a six month delivery time. We asked our office in Texas if they could help us: he bought them from Radio Shack on his lunch break.
Have things changed since Thatcher mauled the UK industry? I don't know exactly, but based on my business connections with British Rail in 2002, I am not so sure the confidence shown by the leavers can be implemented today.
So you lived in the UK during the period of the oil crisis, stagflation and union battles and the main problem was a long lead time on computer memory? I'd expect things to be considerably better than that then
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