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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 06.07.2016, 16:17
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I generally agree, but the increased profits will go to (and be taxed in) Germany and elsewhere, that's why ownership is important. The jobs are in the UK already so at best no change by Brexit, at worst a move of the jobs to EU territory with the next major company reorganisation. Delays at the border/customs may make Just In Time and Lean Manufacturing impossible, and if EU decides that UK components are to be tariff'ed they may well become uncompetitive despite the lower pound.

From an EU perspective, the UK is no longer "us" since the Brexit. There's no particular reason anymore to play nice.
With the release of country by country reporting requirements, we shall soon see where the tax revenues really are situated. Germany can sometimes be an attractive tax location with the right debt-financing in place, i.e., when you don't actually pay much tax in Germany...
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Old 06.07.2016, 16:20
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Anyway, blah, blah, blah.....get bloody on with it....

https://petition.parliament.uk/signa...lZylzWYQp3HwEC
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Old 06.07.2016, 16:26
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Anyway, blah, blah, blah.....get bloody on with it....

https://petition.parliament.uk/signa...lZylzWYQp3HwEC
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Old 06.07.2016, 17:35
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

This sums up completely for me
https://peterwiddows.wordpress.com/2...3/we-the-0-12/
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Old 06.07.2016, 17:48
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

the remain campaign did some outrageous scaremongering, the exit campaign told some outrageous lies (that they backtracked on the second the result was announced)

except

the scaremongering doesn't look so much like scaremongering anymore.
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Old 06.07.2016, 17:50
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the scaremongering doesn't look so much like scaremongering anymore.
The end of Western civilisation is nigh?
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brilliant!
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The end of Western civilisation is nigh?
stocking up on baked beans in preparation for WWIII then

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ld-war-7928607
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Old 06.07.2016, 18:03
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"THIS is what the UK will encounter after Article 50 " Congratulations! You finally got the point
The point? What point? People have long been aware of the nature of this beast. Brexit is probably the best thing that has happened to date to cast light on it. Better now then never to start starving it before it grows real teeth.
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How many cars does the UK sell under domestic-owned brands?
Domestic owned brands is irrelevant, I don't even know what you mean as all the car manufactures are listed on the stock exchange which is open to everybody.
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Old 06.07.2016, 20:41
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https://www.neweurope.eu/article/par...-border-guard/
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Old 06.07.2016, 20:46
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I generally agree, but the increased profits will go to (and be taxed in) Germany and elsewhere, that's why ownership is important.
Not any more. Big corporations are not patriotic. They take their profits where they incur the lowest taxes.


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The jobs are in the UK already so at best no change by Brexit, at worst a move of the jobs to EU territory with the next major company reorganisation. Delays at the border/customs may make Just In Time and Lean Manufacturing impossible, and if EU decides that UK components are to be tariff'ed they may well become uncompetitive despite the lower pound.
Big corporations have amazing lobbying power. It's much cheaper to buy a politician than to relocate a plant. The political machine will make sure there are no long queues at border crossings. At least not longer than they are already.

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From an EU perspective, the UK is no longer "us" since the Brexit. There's no particular reason anymore to play nice.
The EU hasn't exactly played nice with the Uk, er, ever. But they have mostly played civil and it is in their mutual interest to continue to do so.
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Old 06.07.2016, 21:06
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The EU hasn't exactly played nice with the Uk, er, ever. But they have mostly played civil and it is in their mutual interest to continue to do so.
Reading about Schulz's statement about the "importance" of Switzerland, noticing how Juncker behaves, observing some of the reactions of remain moaners, and you would think the world runs on currying favours. This seems to be the ambience of the culture around the EU and it does impart what its supporters believe. Basically, brown-nose and kowtow to those in power in the hopes of getting a better deal.

First of all, this is really a form of corruption. Furthermore, this is how you cultivate tyranny.

Personally, I think from now on, I would only support politicians who are not nice and not likeable, can show fangs, and most important is capable and willing of doing good. I've had it with all the emotional buffoons.
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Lets face it. The BREXIT is NOT going to happen.

The British have flirted with concept of "Direct Democracy" and realised how ridiculous it is to subject government prerogative to the will of the unwashed masses. As an experiment it has clearly failed because it has yielded the wrong result. What began as a clumsy blackmail attempt to squeeze better conditions out of the EU , together with a large measure of self-profiling by Cameron et al. has spun out of control and has allowed the ignorant voting public to be beguiled by even worse publicity seeking politicians into an unwise separation.

And the US is not neutral in all this. Didn't Obama attempt, albeit unsuccessfully, to instruct the UK voters ? What about the US's influence on European affairs through its faithful lackey, the UK ? That is, if it is still the UK, or is it the just the Kingdom now ? The 'Great' in Great Britain is known now only on the international post code.

Look at Switzerland for instance if you want to see what direct democracy brings. The country cannot even order fighter aircraft to defend itself because the proletariat have more important concerns like tram routes in Zürich etc.

The question now is, how is this absurd situation going to be unwound. There are a few possibilities which immediately spring to mind:

1. Provoke a war with Russia. This strategy is looking good already. Form a coalition of national unity. Forget Article 50.

2. Provoke a massive economic crisis. One is waiting to happen so, well, why wait ? Adopt emergency measures. Forget Article 50.

3. Dream up some other, less dangerous distraction like a legal debate on the validity of the vote to separate, probably coupled with an early election. Forget Article 50.

One big hurdle in all this is that Europe is quickly beginning to realise how nice it is going to be without the UK with its constant carping and pleading for special treatment etc. etc.

Interesting times lie ahead.
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Lets face it. The BREXIT is NOT going to happen.

The British have flirted with concept of "Direct Democracy" and realised how ridiculous it is to subject government prerogative to the will of the unwashed masses. As an experiment it has clearly failed because it has yielded the wrong result. What began as a clumsy blackmail attempt to squeeze better conditions out of the EU , together with a large measure of self-profiling by Cameron et al. has spun out of control and has allowed the ignorant voting public to be beguiled by even worse publicity seeking politicians into an unwise separation.

And the US is not neutral in all this. Didn't Obama attempt, albeit unsuccessfully, to instruct the UK voters ? What about the US's influence on European affairs through its faithful lackey, the UK ? That is, if it is still the UK, or is it the just the Kingdom now ? The 'Great' in Great Britain is known now only on the international post code.

Look at Switzerland for instance if you want to see what direct democracy brings. The country cannot even order fighter aircraft to defend itself because the proletariat have more important concerns like tram routes in Zürich etc.

The question now is, how is this absurd situation going to be unwound. There are a few possibilities which immediately spring to mind:

1. Provoke a war with Russia. This strategy is looking good already. Form a coalition of national unity. Forget Article 50.

2. Provoke a massive economic crisis. One is waiting to happen so, well, why wait ? Adopt emergency measures. Forget Article 50.

3. Dream up some other, less dangerous distraction like a legal debate on the validity of the vote to separate, probably coupled with an early election. Forget Article 50.

One big hurdle in all this is that Europe is quickly beginning to realise how nice it is going to be without the UK with its constant carping and pleading for special treatment etc. etc.

Interesting times lie ahead.

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How many cars does the UK sell under domestic-owned brands?
What domestic owned brands? Do you mean Morgan? That's about the only one I can think of. Vauxhall - GM. Ford - American Ford obviously. MG - China, Bentley - VW, Mini/Rolls Royce - BMW, Jaguar/Land Rover - Tata, Lotus - Malaysian company.

Morgan and Aston Martin are the only other main players who are "domestic owned" brands.
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tvr?
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Yes, them too, though I wouldn't call them a major car manufacturer. Still I guess Morgan isn't that major unless they've updated their production lines.
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Now it's Schulz' turn to feel the pressure. Merkel is indeed keeping herself very busy.

Merkel's party asks EU parliament chief to go when term ends
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Yes, them too, though I wouldn't call them a major car manufacturer. Still I guess Morgan isn't that major unless they've updated their production lines.
According to wikipedia Morgan has 163 employees, lets say the same again for suppliers, same for TVR (150+150).
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