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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Now that's interesting. Using my default IE10 browser I get the paywall, but if I past the link into Firefox it's fine.
Maybe you've used up your free allotment (your browser keeps cookies from a newspaper website) in one browser that you're using more frequently, while the other browser appears as a different "user" to the website.
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Old 13.07.2016, 19:33
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Maybe you've used up your free allotment (your browser keeps cookies from a newspaper website) in one browser that you're using more frequently, while the other browser appears as a different "user" to the website.
Solution is to delete all cookies.

In some cases disabling javascript also works wonders.
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Old 13.07.2016, 21:44
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Well, I did clean the registry out the other day and I don't usually visit any news websites regularly except for the Beebs. But it could be that I suppose. Might also be the fact that some sites seem to either not work or no longer support IE10 very well. I've noticed over the last few months I have trouble accessing some sites where I didn't before. It's why I finally downloaded Firefox as I wasn't keen on IE11.

Just been reading another Beeb article and I loved the final paragraph regarding Larry, Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office (his unofficial title btw).

"Since Larry arrived in Downing St in 2011, the leaders of the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Greens, Scottish Nationalist Party (SNP) and UKIP have changed. That makes the Downing St cat one of the great political survivors of our times."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36781781

Maybe he should let them all in on his secret.
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Old 13.07.2016, 21:51
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ke-at/?ref=yfp

4 years to complete the process!
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Old 13.07.2016, 21:58
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As an interim for stability, EFTA meets the referendum to Brexit. But EFTA is also premised on Free Movement. While Free Movement was heavily discussed with the referendum, it isn't a requirement to meet the referendum. Free Movement will have to be discussed as a separate issue from Brexiting in the fullness of time.

What EFTA with Brexit would bring is to disconnect the UK from ECJ jurisdiction, which is really at the root of Eurosceptism in the UK. This needs to happen ASAP, before they start getting weird ideas in Strassbourg.




I suspect they will use the debate merely as a training session on the topic of British Democracy, which a LOT of people seem to need. But no 2nd referendum.
"What EFTA with Brexit would bring is to disconnect the UK from ECJ jurisdiction,"
So instead of the ECJ they get the EFTA Court.
The Court of Justice of the European Free Trade Association States (more commonly known as the EFTA Court) is a supranational judicial body responsible for the EFTA countries.

Please do explain to us ignorant people how this is an improvement?
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Old 13.07.2016, 21:59
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Well, I did clean the registry out the other day and I don't usually visit any news websites regularly except for the Beebs. But it could be that I suppose. Might also be the fact that some sites seem to either not work or no longer support IE10 very well. I've noticed over the last few months I have trouble accessing some sites where I didn't before. It's why I finally downloaded Firefox as I wasn't keen on IE11.

Just been reading another Beeb article and I loved the final paragraph regarding Larry, Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office (his unofficial title btw).

"Since Larry arrived in Downing St in 2011, the leaders of the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Greens, Scottish Nationalist Party (SNP) and UKIP have changed. That makes the Downing St cat one of the great political survivors of our times."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36781781

Maybe he should let them all in on his secret.
Nothing to do with IE10 support, it just blocked me with IE11. Most papers do this, usually something like 4 articles per week. Just install enough alternate browsers that you can keep reading.

Larry the mouser probably owes his longevity to having nine lives, feline intelligence, and the fact that his language only consists of three sentences: "All this stuff here is mine", "Wake up", and "Dinner, Now".
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Old 13.07.2016, 22:14
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Sorry, can't read it behind the paywall.
for telegraph, you can put the letters 'amp' at the end of the url to read the article without the rest of the website around it
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Old 13.07.2016, 22:19
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"What EFTA with Brexit would bring is to disconnect the UK from ECJ jurisdiction,"
So instead of the ECJ they get the EFTA Court.
The Court of Justice of the European Free Trade Association States (more commonly known as the EFTA Court) is a supranational judicial body responsible for the EFTA countries.

Please do explain to us ignorant people how this is an improvement?
EFTA Court concerns itself in settling disputes in regards to the EFTA agreement. Membership in the EU stipulates the Primacy of European Union Law. Which means EU Law overrides UK Law, and the European Court trumps the British Supreme Court. This goes into all aspects of society beyond trade. I assume this was well known and understood.

Theoretically, they could rule that the Brexit is somehow illegal, which would make for an interesting confrontation.

You're welcome.
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Old 13.07.2016, 22:37
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Yeah, Boris is back!

Boris Johnson Named U.K. Foreign Secretary

I think Farage deserves a nod as well. Maybe the Queen ought to thank him somehow.
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Old 13.07.2016, 22:39
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EFTA Court concerns itself in settling disputes in regards to the EFTA agreement. Membership in the EU stipulates the Primacy of European Union Law. Which means EU Law overrides UK Law, and the European Court trumps the British Supreme Court. This goes into all aspects of society beyond trade. I assume this was well known and understood.

Theoretically, they could rule that the Brexit is somehow illegal, which would make for an interesting confrontation.

You're welcome.
You do not do much research do you?

Membership in EFTA also stipulates the Primacy of European Union Law.

The aim of the EEA Agreement is to guarantee the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital; to provide equal conditions of competition and to abolish discrimination on grounds of nationality in all 31 EEA States – the 28 EU States and 3 of the EFTA States.

EEA law originates from EU law. As a matter of principle, the EU law rules concerning the single market have been transposed and are being transposed to the EEA legal order.
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Yeah, Boris is back!

Boris Johnson Named U.K. Foreign Secretary

I think Farage deserves a nod as well. Maybe the Queen ought to thank him somehow.
Karma, poor Boris.
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I think Farage deserves a nod as well. Maybe the Queen ought to thank him somehow.
Minister of Scottish affaires.
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for telegraph, you can put the letters 'amp' at the end of the url to read the article without the rest of the website around it
cool, cheers!
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Yeah, Boris is back!

Boris Johnson Named U.K. Foreign Secretary

I think Farage deserves a nod as well. Maybe the Queen ought to thank him somehow.
I think he'll be excellent at that job, with his ability to switch on the charm and charisma and jetting from country to country explaining why they should prioritize trade deals with the UK.

Best news in a long time, well since the Brexit at least.
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I think he'll be excellent at that job, with his ability to switch on the charm and charisma and jetting from country to country explaining why they should prioritize trade deals with the UK.

Best news in a long time, well since the Brexit at least.
He'll be facing a US President who is of "part-Kenyan" heritage and may have an "ancestral dislike of the British Empire". Beauty.
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I think he'll be excellent at that job, with his ability to switch on the charm and charisma and jetting from country to country explaining why they should prioritize trade deals with the UK.

Best news in a long time, well since the Brexit at least.
Are you being serious? ha ha.

When I heard the news a little bit of sick came up
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Minister of Scottish affaires.
Wonder what tartan he will choose for his kilt?

I understand the regimental tartan of the First Mounted Deserters has a certain traditional charm
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Boris foreign secretary, David Davis Secretary of State for Brexit. Anyone still think that Article 50 won't be invoked? Good that May has put this one to bed straight away. Brexit is happening. Phew.
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He'll be facing a US President who is of "part-Kenyan" heritage and may have an "ancestral dislike of the British Empire". Beauty.
Obama only faces Heads of Sates, not foreign Ministers ??
He has John Kerry to deal with the "lower orders"!
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I think he'll be excellent at that job, with his ability to switch on the charm and charisma and jetting from country to country explaining why they should prioritize trade deals with the UK.

Best news in a long time, well since the Brexit at least.
Liam Fox will be Secretary of State for International Trade, not Boris?
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