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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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My point was the EU pretty much screwed up the UK fishing industry. Whereas in Iceland, Greenland and Norway it thrived, precisely because they weren't members of the EU.
In other words, you are talking about the past we all know, we are talking about the future nobody knows...
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Old 03.08.2016, 13:30
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I haven't said it would be better off out of the EU. I think that boat has sailed, pardon the pun, and I don't think the fishing industry in the UK will ever recover in or out of the EU.

My point was the EU pretty much screwed up the UK fishing industry. Whereas in Iceland, Greenland and Norway it thrived, precisely because they weren't members of the EU.
Difficult to find direct comparisons.

Since 1997 Icelandic fish catches have declined 40%
Source (page 14)

Since 1994 UK fish catches have declined 14%
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:46
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Congratulations, you'll save the UK on your own after Brexit, provided Scotland stay in the UK.
Does Mrs May know?
Seeing Scotland exports much of its salmon to England, I'm not expecting Scottish fisheries to jump on the EU's "punish Britain using tarriffs" bandwaggon. And this independently of whether Scotland stays in the UK or not.

I think all of the EU understands this, with the exception of Junker, Merkel and Faltrad.
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:12
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I think all of the EU understands this, with the exception of Junker, Merkel and Faltrad.
Oh, an anti German and personal attack, how sweet.

For the concept "export within a country", a feminine answer from Mrs May in Wonderland:
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Old 03.08.2016, 23:12
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Oh, an anti German and personal attack, how sweet.

For the concept "export within a country", a feminine answer from Mrs May in Wonderland:
It seems that some of the "Brexiters" are getting a bit uneasy now they see where we are and where we are (not) going; it will soon settle down as we drift into what looks to become a very long, boring and tedious process.
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Old 03.08.2016, 23:16
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It seems that some of the "Brexiters" are getting a bit uneasy now.
If Brits get used to eating a lot of Scottish salmon to keep the fishing industry running, Brexit should go all right.
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Old 03.08.2016, 23:38
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Difficult to find direct comparisons.

Since 1997 Icelandic fish catches have declined 40%
Source (page 14)

Since 1994 UK fish catches have declined 14%
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As I understand it fish consumption right across Europe has been in decline for well over 20 years, so that should not be too surprising!
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Old 04.08.2016, 13:19
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My point was the EU pretty much screwed up the UK fishing industry. Whereas in Iceland, Greenland and Norway it thrived, precisely because they weren't members of the EU.
Show your numbers, and remember to include data on fish in the seas in total (see Überfischung).
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Old 04.08.2016, 13:26
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Show your numbers, and remember to include data on fish in the seas in total (see Überfischung).
Where can I send my invoice if I do so?
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Old 04.08.2016, 13:32
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Where can I send my invoice if I do so?
UKIP,
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Old 04.08.2016, 14:15
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If Brits get used to eating a lot of Scottish salmon to keep the fishing industry running, Brexit should go all right.
True but not much to do with our topic of fishing rights and fishermen. 90% of Scottish salmon comes from fish farms.
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True but not much to do with our topic of fishing rights and fishermen. 90% of Scottish salmon comes from fish farms.
Don't let facts get in the way of fun - go and speak to a teacher in your free time if you want serious stuff and leave us alone with our own disney channel.
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"Take back control", they said.

"Carney: more than a quarter of a million people are now forecast to lose their jobs" (source: BBC Economics Editor, Kamal Ahmed)

Ireland moves to poach research talent from Britain in wake of Brexit

This really sums up the attitude of a lot of Brexiters commenting on pro-Remain Facebook pages (e.g. Scientists for EU, Britain Stronger in Europe, Keep Britain in the EU, Reasons2Remain):
People who blamed everything on EU before referendum now angry if anything blamed on Brexit
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Old 04.08.2016, 20:07
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So, was the BOE interest rate cut too much, or too little?
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Old 04.08.2016, 20:32
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Three Brexit ministers - Mr Johnson, the foreign secretary, David Davis, the Brexit secretary, and Liam Fox, international trade secretary.

I wonder how they will divide the Brexit work between them, who does what?

David Davis has the title Brexit secretary so could take the lead but only a third of the people in the Foreign Office European directorate moved over to him. Consequently Boris has more "European" people and anyway is the more senior in the Cabinet hierarchy.

Lots of scope for disputes over responsibilities
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So, was the BOE interest rate cut too much, or too little?

The expected drop in the rate of economic growth of 75% has been met head on by creating 120 billion GBP and dropping interest rates, just like that. And the banks have been ordered to make sure it is spent. Reminds me of Japan in the 90's.
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Old 04.08.2016, 20:49
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So, was the BOE interest rate cut too much, or too little?
It is now the lowest for 322 years

The BOE Governor Carney told reporters in London today. “Indicators have all fallen sharply, in most cases to levels last seen in the financial crisis, and in some cases to all-time lows.

"“a majority of members expect to support a further cut in bank rate to its effective lower bound” later this year"

The central bank cut its growth forecast for next year (for the third time this year ) to 0.8 percent from 2.3 percent and lowered its 2018 prediction to 1.8 percent from 2.3 percent.

The easing arrives amid mounting signs that quitting the EU is having an adverse impact on the U.K. economy.

My answer is that rates were not cut enough and will be cut again.
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I really hope Mrs May keeps a grain of common sense and does not continue with Brexit. The Referendum was not binding on the government, and it's time to accept that Brexit will cause a deep and long depression, before Britain can be turned around again.
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In the last week or so, I've seen two former colleagues who voted Leave, whinging their traps off on facey B about holiday money exchange rates. They still can't join the dots though. One of them keeps posting photos of her 'adult colouring in', and in my head I'm screaming... "Get a freakin' dot to dot book you imbecile!!!"
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It seems that some of the "Brexiters" are getting a bit uneasy now they see where we are and where we are (not) going; it will soon settle down as we drift into what looks to become a very long, boring and tedious process.
It's not clear who you're referring to there, but as a Leave voter, I'm well aware -- and always have been -- that the negotiation process with the EU will take at least 2 years. I don't know anyone, on either side, who expected this to be quick. Naturally, there is uncertainty, and that uncertainty will create more volatility than normal. Despite this expected lack of clarity, the FTSE is still higher than where we were on the Monday after the referendum. It may not stay up there, but so be it. It's when things dip that opportunities arise.

Let's see where we are in 5 years, not 5 weeks.
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