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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 04.08.2016, 23:07
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In the last week or so, I've seen two former colleagues who voted Leave, whinging their traps off on facey B about holiday money exchange rates. They still can't join the dots though. One of them keeps posting photos of her 'adult colouring in', and in my head I'm screaming... "Get a freakin' dot to dot book you imbecile!!!"
Swings and roundabouts. Sure, a weak pound may well affect holiday spending money but tell them to look at what it's done for the value of their pension pots. Mine is worth 10% more than what it was after the referendum weekend.

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Old 04.08.2016, 23:23
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It's not clear who you're referring to there, but as a Leave voter, I'm well aware -- and always have been -- that the negotiation process with the EU will take at least 2 years. I don't know anyone, on either side, who expected this to be quick. Naturally, there is uncertainty, and that uncertainty will create more volatility than normal. Despite this expected lack of clarity, the FTSE is still higher than where we were on the Monday after the referendum. It may not stay up there, but so be it. It's when things dip that opportunities arise.

Let's see where we are in 5 years, not 5 weeks.
"Let's see where we are in 5 years, not 5 weeks." OK, but it is 7 weeks

"the negotiation process with the EU will take at least 2 years." Looking like 3 or 4 now plus...

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Old 04.08.2016, 23:37
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Swings and roundabouts. Sure, a weak pound may well affect holiday spending money but tell them to look at what it's done for the value of their pension pots. Mine is worth more than 10% what it was after the referendum weekend.
UK’s pension funding hole hits £900bn after Brexit Source.
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"Let's see where we are in 5 years, not 5 weeks." OK, but it is 7 weeks

"the negotiation process with the EU will take at least 2 years." Looking like 3 or 4 now plus...
Have you thought about shorting some British financial securities? It might help you turn your gloom into glee one way or another.
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Old 05.08.2016, 08:40
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Swings and roundabouts. Sure, a weak pound may well affect holiday spending money but tell them to look at what it's done for the value of their pension pots. Mine is worth more than 10% what it was after the referendum weekend.
It's lost nearly 90% of its value?
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"Take back control", they said.

"Carney: more than a quarter of a million people are now forecast to lose their jobs" (source: BBC Economics Editor, Kamal Ahmed)
Bank of England is notoriously bad at forecasting the labour market.

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I really hope Mrs May keeps a grain of common sense and does not continue with Brexit. The Referendum was not binding on the government, and it's time to accept that Brexit will cause a deep and long depression, before Britain can be turned around again.
Translation: I don't believe in democracy.

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In the last week or so, I've seen two former colleagues who voted Leave, whinging their traps off on facey B about holiday money exchange rates.
But still not whining as much as the Remainers though, eh?
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Old 05.08.2016, 10:06
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Bank of England is notoriously bad at forecasting the labour market.



Translation: I don't believe in democracy.



But still not whining as much as the Remainers though, eh?
"But still not whining as much as the Remainers though, eh?" Unfortunately there is a lot of Brexit bad news to whine about

I look forward to the good news
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Old 05.08.2016, 14:14
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Difficult to find direct comparisons.

Since 1997 Icelandic fish catches have declined 40%
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Since 1994 UK fish catches have declined 14%
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As I understand it fish consumption right across Europe has been in decline for well over 20 years, so that should not be too surprising!
I was addressing the claim that the Icelandic fishing industry is thriving versus the UK that is oppressed by the EU, the numbers seem to show the opposite
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I was addressing the claim that the Icelandic fishing industry is thriving versus the UK that is oppressed by the EU, the numbers seem to show the opposite
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Old 06.08.2016, 10:28
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UK’s pension funding hole hits £900bn after Brexit Source.
Sorry, I can't access your link, but I'm presuming this relates to self-funding 'final salary' schemes? If so, this has been an issue for several decades and is unrelated to the referendum.

A big majority of occupational schemes these days, as well as nearly all personal pensions and SIPPs are dependent on the performance of the financial markets and related instruments. The weakness of the pound has given a major boost to the value of most diversified pension investments -- that was my point in response to the poster moaning about holiday spending money.
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Old 06.08.2016, 12:25
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The weakness of the pound has given a major boost to the value of most diversified pension investments -- that was my point in response to the poster moaning about holiday spending money.
And back in the real world the weakness of the pound will also impact the cost of living with the U.K. importing about 40% of it's total food consumption alone. So your so called gain is about as useful as a chocolate teapot!
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Old 06.08.2016, 13:11
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Sorry, I can't access your link, but I'm presuming this relates to self-funding 'final salary' schemes? If so, this has been an issue for several decades and is unrelated to the referendum.

A big majority of occupational schemes these days, as well as nearly all personal pensions and SIPPs are dependent on the performance of the financial markets and related instruments. The weakness of the pound has given a major boost to the value of most diversified pension investments -- that was my point in response to the poster moaning about holiday spending money.
"most diversified pension investments" Except for commercial property which many funds have diversified into!
Quote "Stockbroker Peel Hunt is warning that "long bull market" in UK property could be at an end thanks to the Brexit vote and is predicting a huge collapse in London office values."
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And back in the real world the weakness of the pound will also impact the cost of living with the U.K. importing about 40% of it's total food consumption alone. So your so called gain is about as useful as a chocolate teapot!

centralEurpean/westEuropean countries IMported Food and EXported industrial stuff for decades. Is Britain no longer financind its Food by industrial EXports ?
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And back in the real world the weakness of the pound will also impact the cost of living with the U.K. importing about 40% of it's total food consumption alone. So your so called gain is about as useful as a chocolate teapot!
Erm, not sure about you, but I don't live in the UK and probably won't for some years. But speaking generally, if investments yield more while imports become more expensive, in what way is the former a useless thing? It's surely extremely useful as it mitigates the other?

That's my precise point -- that almost every economic event (like currency fluctuation) has a Yin and Yang. The benefits tend to balance downsides. If UK imports are more expensive, exports become cheaper and good for the economy. You have to be pragmatic. If food imports became noticeably more expensive, maybe people will buy more home-produced food (also good for the economy) or would eat more sensibly.

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"most diversified pension investments" Except for commercial property which many funds have diversified into!
Quote "Stockbroker Peel Hunt is warning that "long bull market" in UK property could be at an end thanks to the Brexit vote and is predicting a huge collapse in London office values."
Many funds do have property elements but no well-run pension fund is going to be top-heavy in commercial property. Or if they are, they will have benefitted a lot in recent years. Funds that do have property in the portfolio will almost certainly have any dips more than compensated for by the disproportionate rise in the value of the dollar-based investments.

According to these Peel Hunt people, this "huge collapse in London office values" could mean as much as 5-10% drops. Cor! Considering the massive gains in recent years, it's hard to see that 5-10% represents a "huge collapse". Looks more like a very modest partial correction to me.

Much has been written about the "threat" to house prices too, but again, one unfortunate person's risk of negative equity is another's good news if they are hoping to buy. If property increases by 10% a year while inflation is 0-2% then something is very wrong. Let's have a 20% or so drop over a period. Many people would be happy with that.
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Erm, not sure about you, but I don't live in the UK and probably won't for some years.
Exactly and the person who was complaint about their holiday money, is also the person the will be impacted by the cost of living increases in the coming months!
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centralEurpean/westEuropean countries IMported Food and EXported industrial stuff for decades. Is Britain no longer financind its Food by industrial EXports ?
Well apart from the fact the the UK has been running a negative balance of trade for over 20 years.... we should not confuse macroeconomics with microeconomics - the fact of the matter is that most of the people being hit by the cost of living increases will not suddenly be receiving cost of living increases in salaries, pensions or benefits. Watch how the exit will be used as an excuse not increasing wages etc...

You just have to look at Ireland were the economy over all is steaming ahead, but at the same time large sections of the population will tell you that they have seen absolutely no improvement in their situation.
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British EU bureaucrats concerned they have to find real jobs with normal salaries. Good.
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British EU bureaucrats concerned they have to find real jobs with normal salaries. Good.
You're such a ray of sunshine Loz, with your bonhomie and goodwill to all men.

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You're such a ray of sunshine Loz, with your bonhomie and goodwill to all men.

I find the ignore list is a good way of dealing with that. Although it doesn't help when you insist on quoting him.
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I find the ignore list is a good way of dealing with that. Although it doesn't help when you insist on quoting him.
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