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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:04
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So run another referendum or a general election on the Brexit issue, as already suggested by Labour. Then you'll get a definitive result. that's the only way to ensure a democratic outcome from this mess.
There won't be one. Doesn't answer the question on whether Bremainers are in favor of punishing the UK needlessly and intentionally.
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:08
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Not so personal, as I didn't even vote. Besides, its simple common logic.

Its quite a widespread perspective, and apparently in the majority until proven otherwise by a referendum.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst.../#7ed80e7343ce
We already had a discussion about not believing experts who comment about areas outside their field of expertise; now you are quoting one!
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:10
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We already had a discussion about not believing experts who comment about areas outside their field of expertise; now you are quoting one!
This isn't a science where an "expert" can predict an outcome as if it followed natural law. This is sociology, politics and economy where human decisions are made. There are no real experts in this area, only pundits.
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:11
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There won't be one. Doesn't answer the question on whether Bremainers are in favor of punishing the UK needlessly and intentionally.
Stop trolling
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:14
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Stop trolling
I'll take your answer to that question is to abstain from answering it. But it wasn't really your response I was interested in.
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There won't be one. Doesn't answer the question on whether Bremainers are in favor of punishing the UK needlessly and intentionally.
No one, not even the told you so "Bremainers" would want to have the fallout that is likely to happen. We might feel smug about it, but that would be short lived as the quality of our lives will also feel pinch.

I don't know where you get your info from Prof. Phos, but I am fairly certain no British citizen wants to be punished. The thing is, we will be punished, economically (although not deliberately, along with the EU) and politically, as we will have very little say in EU policy and that will be punishment enough.
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:32
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Not so personal, as I didn't even vote. Besides, its simple common logic.

Its quite a widespread perspective, and apparently in the majority until proven otherwise by a referendum.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst.../#7ed80e7343ce
If you didn't vote you shouldn't even be talking about it, simply as you did not care enough to begin with, I don't see how you can have any relevant opinion on the subject!
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:34
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This isn't a science where an "expert" can predict an outcome as if it followed natural law. This is sociology, politics and economy where human decisions are made. There are no real experts in this area, only pundits.
Definitions of pundit;
an expert in a particular subject or field who is frequently called upon to give their opinions to the public
Beware the pundit, a supposed expert who imparts deep knowledge to us more ignorant folks.
someone who is an expert or authority in a specific field.
A person that publicly expresses their opinions or comments on a topic on which they consider themselves an expert.

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Old 29.08.2016, 13:51
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So run another referendum or a general election on the Brexit issue, as already suggested by Labour. Then you'll get a definitive result. that's the only way to ensure a democratic outcome from this mess.
I think we need, at least, an outline of what Brexit is going to look like and a referendum held on that before activating Article 50.

If the first referendum question was "Are you hungry?", the second one should be "Do you want steak tartare with a side salad?"

The response would be radically different.
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Old 29.08.2016, 13:52
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If you didn't vote you shouldn't even be talking about it, simply as you did not care enough to begin with, I don't see how you can have any relevant opinion on the subject!
I can't vote in the UK, but am still quite pleased with Brexit, as the EU does impact where I live. Of course I can talk about it. I'm quite pleased with the result. It was very democratic. Everybody is talking about it.
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I can't vote in the UK, but am still quite pleased with Brexit, as the EU does impact where I live.
So, you're not a UK citizen and currently live in Switzerland?

Would you care to expand on this so that your opinion can be better understood?
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I'll take your answer to that question is to abstain from answering it. But it wasn't really your response I was interested in.
That is OK since I was not really interested in your question, anyway I do not fall into the class of people that you were asking.

It is not the sort of question that it is possible to have a definitive answer - it will have multiple answers but these should be testable (i.e. evidence based). Different people will have different answers to the same question if they have different experiences and different points of view.

So you do not deny you are trolling?
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So, you're not a UK citizen and currently live in Switzerland?

Would you care to expand on this so that your opinion can be better understood?
Awwww he's just an armchair antagonist. We already knew his opinions were worthless ;-)
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Old 29.08.2016, 14:23
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So, you're not a UK citizen and currently live in Switzerland?

Would you care to expand on this so that your opinion can be better understood?
The decisions the EU enforces on its member states often negatively impact its communities and cultures in ways they neither asked for or want. I happen to respect those communities and cultures. I think the EU contributes to social incohesion and needs to be curtailed. Its been overdue, and Brexit has moved it in the right direction towards reform. The EU would not listen any other way.
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The decisions the EU enforces on its member states often negatively impact its communities and cultures in ways they neither asked for or want. I happen to respect those communities and cultures. I think the EU contributes to social incohesion and needs to be curtailed. Its been overdue, and Brexit has moved it in the right direction towards reform. The EU would not listen any other way.
That does not answer the question posed. It's ridiculously vague.
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Old 29.08.2016, 14:33
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That does not answer the question posed. It's ridiculously vague.
It actually does, as Brexit is a global event with impact beyond the UK and its citizens.
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Old 29.08.2016, 14:39
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The decisions the EU enforces on its member states often negatively impact its communities and cultures in ways they neither asked for or want. I happen to respect those communities and cultures. I think the EU contributes to social incohesion and needs to be curtailed. Its been overdue, and Brexit has moved it in the right direction towards reform. The EU would not listen any other way.
Speaking from a UK point of view, the EU has actively contributed to and indeed resurrected social cohesion and communities by financing redevelopment in derelict areas. The fact they've not put a big fat plaque on a wall for all to see doesn't mean they've not been there in the background.

A resident in a town in Cornwall was mid-rant about the EU on the TV news before the referendum asking what the EU had ever done for him and his area and the reporter pointed out the leisure centre, renovated technical college and the retirement home behind him were paid for with EU money.

"Yeah, but they're all used by immigrants!"

A lot of very deprived areas in the UK had life breathed back into them from EU funding, which otherwise would have been left to rot.
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It actually does, as Brexit is a global event with impact beyond the UK and its citizens.
If you continue to evade the question, I cannot take your views seriously in any way, shape or form, because you're not presenting a valid frame of reference that would explain your perspective.

If you were (for example) a Thai passport holder living in Switzerland, Brexit has zero impact upon you.
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I think we need, at least, an outline of what Brexit is going to look like and a referendum held on that before activating Article 50.

If the first referendum question was "Are you hungry?", the second one should be "Do you want steak tartare with a side salad?"

The response would be radically different.
As has been stated several times, you do not keep running an election until you get the result you want. Theresa May has said BREXIT means BREXIT, Jeremy Corbyn says the decision is democratic and needs to be respected. They were both against BREXIT in the campaign.

On the news last night it was reported that May has given her reports until Wednesday to present how BREXIT will be positive for Britain in their areas and that Britain will remain part of the free market with immigration controls.

These people have to do it even though they were against BREXIT.

She has consulted her lawyers about the legal challenge and it won't win, she will enact Article 50 herself.

That's the stand at the moment. All the negative press and hypothesis about BREXIT so far has proved to be hot air. But it will continue to come.

So far May is driving it all in a very positive and constructive fashion.
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All the negative press and hypothesis about BREXIT so far has proved to be hot air. But it will continue to come.
Only hot air as far as it hasn't been put into effect, lets see when when it actually happens, eh!


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Thats not what I've read.
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