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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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So I've heard from a good analyst of a large corp that EU has to screw UK as much as they; otherwise populations from EU southern states might rebel if UK does well.
That has been publicly stated. But in doing so, the EU will be hurting itself more than they will be hurting the UK. So it comes down to a test of rationality. And here you will see what the EU is made of. An unbiased perspective can better see just how credible and valid the EU is. As for notions of protectionism, it will be quite clear that protectionism is coming from the EU, and not the UK.
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Old 06.09.2016, 17:25
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Well if the UK businesses will follow all the EU regulations like the shape of bananas then that destroys one of the reasons given for leaving.
It does not have to be an all or nothing proposition. In fact, the UK can manufacture cars to EU, California and whatever standards, the way they always have, and still gain control of immigration.

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So I've heard from a good analyst of a large corp that EU has to screw UK as much as they; otherwise populations from EU southern states might rebel if UK does well.
But isn't the EU also saying that all the austerity is really in the best interests of southern Europe and that they'll come out stronger for it?

Any admission that this is not the case and that they're punishing the southern countries for the sake of exacting a punishment could cause far more damage there than simply letting the UK off lightly.

After all, according to their logic, Britain wil be worse off outside the EU no matter what, so surely they should then conclude a deal on the most favourable terms possible and then sit back while the UK sinks. Any desire to punish the Uk reflects that they don't actually believe anything bad will happen to the Uk of its own accord.
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Old 06.09.2016, 17:36
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Furthermore, any intentional punishment of the UK may constitute an act of aggression and may warrant retaliation. I realise that those who run the EU have no real life experience in real life situation, and no real accomplishments. But lets hope they are actually smarter and wiser than they seem.
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I realise that those who run the EU have no real life experience in real life situation, and no real accomplishments. But lets hope they are actually smarter and wiser than they seem.
Not this old Farage chestnut again! This was widely rebuked across many countries and political persuasions.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36654901

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...obs-hes-wrong/
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Not this old Farage chestnut again! This was widely rebuked across many countries and political persuasions.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36654901

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...obs-hes-wrong/

Rebuked by persuasion, yet they leave a trail of failures behind them they don't bother even owning up to.

I think that is only convincing for the gullible and weak minded.
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So I've heard from a good analyst of a large corp that EU has to screw UK as much as they; otherwise populations from EU southern states might rebel if UK does well.
If the UK gets exceptions then all countries will demand them.
i.e. Germany will not want to give the UK exceptions.

If the UK wants a relationship with the EU outside the EU, and wants to preserve single market access, it should be in a manner consistent with EU rules. No EU countries wants to harm the UK, since it impacts their own economies in return. But nobody wants to give concessions either.

In such negotiations, the narrative that one is trying to screw the other over is just a projection of political ideology and beliefs.

The mundane reality is just a question of protecting and furthering their respective national interests.
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Not this old Farage chestnut again! This was widely rebuked across many countries and political persuasions.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-...endum-36654901

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...obs-hes-wrong/

"Out of 751 MEPs, [Farage] is fourth from last in terms of attendance."

Says it all.
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Its interesting to see in which direction this is also taking Switzerland. If they severely reduce the attractiveness of hiring people from overseas here, its going to see a drastic reduction in businesses in certain sectors, that have higher levels of foreign employees, operating out of Switzerland, because a loss of specialized labor will hit those business hard.

Swiss blink first in EU standoff with striking similarities to UK predicament
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Old 06.09.2016, 19:07
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"Out of 751 MEPs, [Farage] is fourth from last in terms of attendance."

Says it all.
However, if it's results that count it would seem Farage hasn't done such a bad job.

I wonder how many UKIP voters would prefer an MEP with high attendance rates over one who delivers on what he promises?
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Old 06.09.2016, 19:38
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However, if it's results that count it would seem Farage hasn't done such a bad job.

I wonder how many UKIP voters would prefer an MEP with high attendance rates over one who delivers on what he promises?
Results in the plural? And these are?
Farage was not even a member of Leave Campaign!
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Old 06.09.2016, 20:45
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Furthermore, any intentional punishment of the UK may constitute an act of aggression and may warrant retaliation. I realise that those who run the EU have no real life experience in real life situation, and no real accomplishments. But lets hope they are actually smarter and wiser than they seem.
Anything that requires a treaty change, such as concessions on FMOP, will eventually come down to one thing a referendum in Ireland for certain and possibly Denmark and France. So unless the UK accepts EEA or WTO terms, the people who run the EU as you call them will not be the final decision makers.
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So I've heard from a good analyst of a large corp that EU has to screw UK as much as they; otherwise populations from EU southern states might rebel if UK does well.
This sort of statement puzzles me. I mean the "good analyst of a large corp" bit. You don't have to be an "analyst" of any kind -- good or bad -- and you don't have to work for a "large corp", or a small one, or even any corp at all, to have an opinion on this. It's been discussed many times in the media. It's been advanced as a policy by some politicians, then immediately attacked by other politicians, then talked about a bit more in the media, then stated, then denied again by some more politicians. And so it goes on. The chatterati, both professional and (like me) amateur, all have a view on it.

The fact is that the negotiations have not yet started. There are indeed some arguments in favour of booting the Brits in the nuts, though these are as much to do with punishment and anger than anything more rational. And there are sound political and economic arguments for keeping the UK close to the mother ship, and ensuring that the continent remains cohesive and businesslike.

Your "good analyst of a large corp" has no special advance knowledge of how these negotiations will conclude, I can assure you.
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If the UK wants to build its economy on exporting bananas to the EU, that is indeed a concern. Somebody should warn Boris.
Banabay Ltd, a Midlands based company, is a very large distributor of bananas worldwide.

In terms of opportunity out there, Fyffes Ireland is the fourth largest distributor of bananas worldwide.

Please explain why UK companies exporting bananas are a concern
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Furthermore, any intentional punishment of the UK may constitute an act of aggression and may warrant retaliation. I realise that those who run the EU have no real life experience in real life situation, and no real accomplishments. But lets hope they are actually smarter and wiser than they seem.
"those who run the EU" All major EU decisions and policies require a consensus by all the EU countries; every single EU country has a veto.
So you believe the leaders of each and every EU country have no real life experience
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Rebuked by persuasion, yet they leave a trail of failures behind them they don't bother even owning up to.

I think that is only convincing for the gullible and weak minded.
It's interesting that you choose to use the same rhetoric, though, regardless of whether it has been rebuked or not.
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"Out of 751 MEPs, [Farage] is fourth from last in terms of attendance."

Says it all.
But you say that as if his antipathy towards the EU is a surprise. Farage has talked about this many times. He became an MEP as part of his (successful) campaign to get Britain out of the EU, and takes no great interest in the humdrum burbling of the other 750.

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Results in the plural? And these are?
Farage was not even a member of Leave Campaign!
"Results" is accepted as singular or plural, even if it refers to just one thing. But anyway, it's academic. I'm not a Nigeophile myself, but whether you like him or not, Farage has obviously achieved more than one major result. He campaigned for years for a referendum, and once granted, he then campaigned for a Leave vote. That's two major successes for a start.

The Times last week described Farage as the most successful British politician of all time, because he actually achieved what he wanted, then got out. He certainly confounded Enoch Powell's famous (and rather sad) dictum that "All political lives, unless cut off in midstream, end in failure.”
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Banabay Ltd, a Midlands based company, is a very large distributor of bananas worldwide.

In terms of opportunity out there, Fyffes Ireland is the fourth largest distributor of bananas worldwide.

Please explain why UK companies exporting bananas are a concern
Banabay Ltd is a tiny company with a share capital of £100. It has 1 single director. They qualify as a small company & only provide limited accounts. The shareholder funds are negative (£1,488,570) at 31/12/14 the latest accounts available.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history
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But you say that as if his antipathy towards the EU is a surprise. Farage has talked about this many times. He became an MEP as part of his (successful) campaign to get Britain out of the EU, and takes no great interest in the humdrum burbling of the other 750.


"Results" is accepted as singular or plural, even if it refers to just one thing. But anyway, it's academic. I'm not a Nigeophile myself, but whether you like him or not, Farage has obviously achieved more than one major result. He campaigned for years for a referendum, and once granted, he then campaigned for a Leave vote. That's two major successes for a start.

The Times last week described Farage as the most successful British politician of all time, because he actually achieved what he wanted, then got out. He certainly confounded Enoch Powell's famous (and rather sad) dictum that "All political lives, unless cut off in midstream, end in failure.”
"then got out" You believe there will be no come back

""Results" is accepted as singular or plural, even if it refers to just one thing. " Not in the English language
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Banabay Ltd is a tiny company with a share capital of £100. It has 1 single director. They qualify as a small company & only provide limited accounts. The shareholder funds are negative (£1,488,570) at 31/12/14 the latest accounts available.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history
Thank you for showing what a huge growth opportunity they have?
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