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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Balls, the topic was balls. Thatcher had more fortitude and courage than anybody, which is in short supply in the UK today.
If that is the case, it's only because I've moved to Switzerland.

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as far as I can tell all she did was break the unions stronghold, but they where just as bad, if not worse for industry then she ever was.
Many unions of the time were horrendous. I was a union rep through the 90's til 2002 and they had largely turned the corner then, though I still got a lot of flack from the old guard for not being a Labour voter. One guy even tried to black ball me off the union for it, but it was raised at the branch meeting (I knew nothing of this in advance) and his proposal was unanimously defeated for the simple reason that the members knew I always fought their corner and got results, no matter what their politics were.

The unions needed to change with the times, and understand social mobility to survive.
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Old 29.09.2016, 13:27
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If that is the case, it's only because I've moved to Switzerland.
When did you move? Because I think that might have attributed to a slight jump in average IQ reported.
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Old 29.09.2016, 13:34
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When did you move? Because I think that might have attributed to a slight jump in average IQ reported...
...in Switzerland. Yep! That was me
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Old 29.09.2016, 14:12
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When did you move? Because I think that might have attributed to a slight jump in average IQ reported.
Reminds me of the old joke that she increased the IQ in both countries
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Saudi billionaire receives 400k per year through farm subsidies

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7336686.html

One of many it seems. As the article says we have a wonderful opportunity to fix this kind of absurdity.
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Old 29.09.2016, 16:06
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One of many it seems. As the article says we have a wonderful opportunity to fix this kind of absurdity.
How?

The only surefire way without increasing bureacracy I see is to abolish subsidies altogether.
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Old 29.09.2016, 16:10
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How?

The only surefire way without increasing bureacracy I see is to abolish subsidies altogether.
That would be the best way forward, no doubt Mrs Thatcher would have agreed too.
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Boris Johnson says Britain will now help Turkey join EU despite using prospect to help win referendum

Shock news: Tory toff tells plebs one thing then does another.
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Old 29.09.2016, 17:22
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How?

The only surefire way without increasing bureacracy I see is to abolish subsidies altogether.
I would envisage a mechanism of giving subsidies to farmers but accounting for their wealth in the calculation so for example, people that are billionaires dont get subsidies. Other farmers, who rely on the subsidies and are not affluent, will.
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Old 29.09.2016, 17:38
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That would be the best way forward, no doubt Mrs Thatcher would have agreed too.
Shall we dig her up and ask her? Bad taste, I know, but we need to deal with the here and now. Just for the record, Maggie was well in with the Saudis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167251
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Old 29.09.2016, 18:49
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Saudi billionaire receives 400k per year through farm subsidies

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7336686.html

One of many it seems. As the article says we have a wonderful opportunity to fix this kind of absurdity.
It is only an absurdity when you know exactly what would happen if and when the subsidies are stopped.
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Old 29.09.2016, 19:13
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Balls, the topic was balls. Thatcher had more fortitude and courage than anybody, which is in short supply in the UK today.
tbh. it says it all if you admire Nigel Farage, he freeloaded as an MEP raking in a huge salary and retirement fund at the same time being completely anti the EU behind its back, you call that balls, I call that untrustworthy and manipulative. Thatchers economics influenced by Greenspan and the writings of Ayan Rand, could be considered one of the primary causes of most of the post 80s financial crises and the bursting of bubbles not the EU. But go on believing the crap you spout.

Thatcher destroyed a lot of communities without coming up with alternative solutions to employment and industry. All for cheaper imports and bigger profits. Her only real coup was the Falklands conflict and I think any PM from any party would have entered into conflict at the time. It's similar to how the blame for the invasion of Iraq is always placed on B-liar, but whatever government was in power at the time would have followed America into conflict. Thatcher saw to it that Britain was to be the 51st State and until very recently it was.
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It is only an absurdity when you know exactly what would happen if and when the subsidies are stopped.
Idiotic statement Martin, come on. Of course the subsidies won't simply stop. We have an oppurtunity to bring in our own system, not tied to the eu model.
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Old 29.09.2016, 21:15
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What is going to do? Rock up in Ireland during an enlargement referendum and try to convince Irish voters to accept it. It would be the kiss of death, but the entreatment value would be great!
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Old 29.09.2016, 21:25
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Idiotic statement Martin, come on. Of course the subsidies won't simply stop. We have an oppurtunity to bring in our own system, not tied to the eu model.
Ya... about that.... based on some of the traffic during the referendum apparently of the three systems for processing subsidies offers by the EU the UK picked the most complex one...

The mad cow crises show us that the UK (excluding NI) were unable to provide the basic information on heard movement that is common in most EU states.

So I would not have great hopes of a better system anytime soon.
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Ya... about that.... based on some of the traffic during the referendum apparently of the three systems for processing subsidies offers by the EU the UK picked the most complex one...

The mad cow crises show us that the UK (excluding NI) were unable to provide the basic information on heard movement that is common in most EU states.

So I would not have great hopes of a better system anytime soon.
So in summary: something someone said apparently to someone else maybe during the referendum and a random fact about the mad cow crisis which was what, 25 years ago ? Perhaps point out we didn't handle distribution of water well during the great fire of London as well ?

Despite that you want, with all malice, the UK to fail and go down the pan so you can joyously cackle 'there! I told you so!' I think that faced with what they need to do, which is arrange an economic relationship with the world now (of which one part happens to be the eu) that the UK will make a good go of it.
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Old 30.09.2016, 00:20
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Idiotic statement Martin, come on. Of course the subsidies won't simply stop. We have an oppurtunity to bring in our own system, not tied to the eu model.
So you support continuing to give such subsidies to Saudi Billionaires?
Or you cannot imagine the consequences of stopping such subsidies?
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Idiotic statement Martin, come on. Of course the subsidies won't simply stop. We have an oppurtunity to bring in our own system, not tied to the eu model.
It's not just the obvious subsidy beneficiaries who are going to suffer if an alternative model of investment isn't found. I was talking to a mate last weekend, who manages the local youth centre. This place has a hell of a lot of investment from the local sports teams and industries, and has some very creative people running the fund raising side of things, but they're one of the few lucky ones. Many youth centres and child play centres are in receipt of EU funding. They're all working flat out to find alternatives, but find they're in competition with each other for that.


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Despite that you want, with all malice, the UK to fail and go down the pan so you can joyously cackle 'there! I told you so!' I think that faced with what they need to do, which is arrange an economic relationship with the world now (of which one part happens to be the eu) that the UK will make a good go of it.
I'd love to be wrong about Brexit.
I'd love to be wrong about Corbyn.
I'd love to be wrong about many things that concern me, but it's unlikely that I'll be wrong about all of them.

There's no joy to be had in seeing close friends going through redundancy procedures, which is currently the case. There's no joy in seeing the interest rates on your ISAs plummeting to 0.7% when 2yrs ago, they were forecast at 8%.

Just take a moment to check the best buy interest rates on offer for savings in the UK now...

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/sav...currentaccount

When I arrived here less than a year ago, the exchange rate was GBP 1 = CHF 1.47. Now it's CHF 1.25 and we haven't even begun Brexit, so forgive me for not getting the bunting out.
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There's no joy in seeing the interest rates on your ISAs plummeting to 0.7% when 2yrs ago, they were forecast at 8%......
8%? Who was forecasting 8% 2 years ago?

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When I arrived here less than a year ago, the exchange rate was GBP 1 = CHF 1.47. Now it's CHF 1.25 and we haven't even begun Brexit, so forgive me for not getting the bunting out.
But this is good news, surely? Your household's Swiss income is now worth a lot more in pounds than it was when you moved over. If you can afford it, drip-feed CHFs back into your UK bank account and benefit from the fantastic rate. On your figures, 1,000 CHFs would have been worth £680 a year ago, but a whopping £800 today -- an 18% increase!

If you still have cash in the UK that you are using as income over here, then of course you'll have a problem, but that's how currency fluctuations work. For someone to be on the winning side someone else has to lose.

As for savings rates in the UK, surely you don't have much savings in cash? Interest rates have been hopeless for years. Even standard index trackers would have kept you in fine financial health over the past few years, and since the referendum, most people's savings and pension funds will have risen by 10-15%. (As for managed funds, I'll wait for @fatmanfilms to come along to endorse Fundsmith, a popular fund in these parts that has grown by 40% in the last year alone.)
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Despite that you want, with all malice, the UK to fail and go down the pan so you can joyously cackle 'there! I told you so!' I think that faced with what they need to do, which is arrange an economic relationship with the world now (of which one part happens to be the eu) that the UK will make a good go of it.
I'm an Irish citizen and of course it important that the UK gets a good deal and does well, if for no other reason that it will have a big impact on my relatives in both countries.

But that does not mean that I going to subscribe to the nonsense going out of UK politicians etc that clearly demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of the basics whe it comes to the EU and what it takes to get a good deal.
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