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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

Looks as though it will be an interesting Spring/summer next year.

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Old 02.10.2016, 12:22
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Theresa May has confirmed she will trigger article 50 before the end of March 2017, setting in motion the two-year process of leaving the European Union.

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Nice to have some clarity
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Old 02.10.2016, 12:32
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The people won't mind the cost because the people voted for this seperation.
Of course they will and if they don't the British Press will make sure they do with some of the usual headlines about how solicitor X eared £500 a day changing the word Commissioner to Secretary or Minister.
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Old 02.10.2016, 12:36
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Theresa May has confirmed she will trigger article 50 before the end of March 2017, setting in motion the two-year process of leaving the European Union.

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Nice to have some clarity
So the U.K. gets to provide the political entertainment again next summer! Definitely better than that Greek show that was playing last summer
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Old 02.10.2016, 12:48
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So the U.K. gets to provide the political entertainment again next summer! Definitely better than that Greek show that was playing last summer
I'll be happy if it is less of a Benny Hill revival than Brexit was, and has been since the vote.
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Theresa May has confirmed she will trigger article 50 before the end of March 2017, setting in motion the two-year process of leaving the European Union.

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Nice to have some clarity
yes, full steam ahead now.
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Old 02.10.2016, 12:49
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Some lawyers LOL

If we count every law passed by the European Commission between 1993 and 2014 as a "UK law from Brussels" then there have been 49,699 of them.

This is probably too high since some laws relate to non-UK things like Olive growing.

So let us take a smaller number, say 20,000?
How many lawyers will it take to rewrite these? Depends if they are short or long laws?
How many will have to be voted on in Parliament?

"The people won't mind the cost" Apart from those who thought some money savings would go to the NHS "Boris Johnson says NHS will get substantial extra funds after Brexit" Source
Seems I got it wrong

May and the Brexit secretary, David Davis, will announce the government’s plan to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and there will be new legislation to transpose EU legislation into British law, in its entirety,

That law will only come into force on the day Britain leaves the EU, with future governments then able to unpick those laws as desired.

So the"good news" for the leavers is the UK will continue to have to follow all EU laws until March 2019; after that date then maybe some future Govt. will change things

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Old 02.10.2016, 12:57
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Theresa May has confirmed she will trigger article 50 before the end of March 2017, setting in motion the two-year process of leaving the European Union.

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So the U.K. gets to provide the political entertainment again next summer! Definitely better than that Greek show that was playing last summer
Nine months after the referendum; hope it is a healthy baby

The next French presidential election is scheduled to be held in April and May 2017 and the German Govt. elections probably in Sept. 2017, anyway before 22nd. October.
So full steam ahead is unlikely
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Old 02.10.2016, 15:13
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Seems I got it wrong

May and the Brexit secretary, David Davis, will announce the government’s plan to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and there will be new legislation to transpose EU legislation into British law, in its entirety,

That law will only come into force on the day Britain leaves the EU, with future governments then able to unpick those laws as desired.

So the"good news" for the leavers is the UK will continue to have to follow all EU laws until March 2019; after that date then maybe some future Govt. will change things

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Some interesting thoughts here "PM has announced legislation to end authority of EU law. But why leave if we are transposing its laws into British law?" Worth reading!
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Old 02.10.2016, 15:28
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Some interesting thoughts here "PM has announced legislation to end authority of EU law. But why leave if we are transposing its laws into British law?" Worth reading!
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Basically, instead of doing a pck'n'mix, she's buying the entire sweet shop then Parliament will spend decades deciding want to keep the pear drops or mint humbugs, or change the humbugs for mint imperials.

If this works, it could be May's master stroke, but she freely admits that she'll face opposition on all sides.
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I see it more as what the government promised: no loss of things like workers rights while keeping control within the uk.
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Anna Soubry on Peston this morning, said...

"Parliament should be triggering Article 50, not the Prime Minister."

Totally agree!
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Old 02.10.2016, 18:04
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I see it more as what the government promised: no loss of things like workers rights while keeping control within the uk.
So it's a bad thing if the EU creates some set of laws that the UK has to follow as EU member, but if the UK incorporates the very same set of laws as part of Brexit that set of laws is a good thing.

I'm sure this makes sense. Somehow.

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Anna Soubry on Peston this morning, said...

"Parliament should be triggering Article 50, not the Prime Minister."

Totally agree!
The parliament makes the laws, government acts on them. So the parliament should create a law that orders the goverment to invoke article 50
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Old 02.10.2016, 18:37
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May's speech today; She urges people to get behind the team of ministers working for Brext: David Davis, Liam Fox, Priti Patel and Boris Johnson.

Patel? The fourth Musketeer?

What is the old saying "Too many cooks spoil the broth"?

Isn't Patel the lady who thinks the IMF is EU funded? Source

Oh well, better to avoid having people who know what they are talking about
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So it's a bad thing if the EU creates some set of laws that the UK has to follow as EU member, but if the UK incorporates the very same set of laws as part of Brexit that set of laws is a good thing.

I'm sure this makes sense. Somehow.


The parliament makes the laws, government acts on them. So the parliament should create a law that orders the goverment to invoke article 50
Yes, you've got it in a nutshell. We mirror the European laws as is then modify as we want. Just the sort of common sense approach you would want to minimize disruption.
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Yes, you've got it in a nutshell. We mirror the European laws as is then modify as we want. Just the sort of common sense approach you would want to minimize disruption.

... they can modify as much as they want - as long as they don't want to export to EU... (at least before the UK had a strong say re rules, etc- after Brexit they will just have to abide by them, without having a say. Progress indeed...Same for tarifs).
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... they can modify as much as they want - as long as they don't want to export to EU... (at least before the UK had a strong say re rules, etc- after Brexit they will just have to abide by them, without having a say. Progress indeed...Same for tarifs).
Yes of course, one would assume that you could only modify ones that were concerning the UK in that sense.
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https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/782575747470725120

Tim Farron says it better than I could.


If there are any nutters (surely not) who are here in CH on UK pensions in £ - they better hold on tight to their knicker elastic - a rocky ride indeed
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Yes, you've got it in a nutshell. We mirror the European laws as is then modify as we want. Just the sort of common sense approach you would want to minimize disruption.
Except that EU regulations will have to drafted and incorporated into UK law, unlike directives that are UK law. Other wise some kind of catch all law will be needed.
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Except that EU regulations will have to drafted and incorporated into UK law, unlike directives that are UK law. Other wise some kind of catch all law will be needed.
OK well we'll do that then I expect. Whatever needs to be done I'm sure they will do it.
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