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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Maybe they are secretly telling the companies that they will not really invoke Brexit
A chechbook means payment in cash. Everybody quoted uses the qualifier "financial", there's not one unconditional statement of "no compensation". Why does the official spokesman deny to comment on whether they were promised lower energy costs?

Guess we'll have to wait and see but I'd be surprised if, in case of tariffs imposed, the car makers don't get some kind of compensation. After all Goshn made his position quite clear:
"If I need to make an investment in the next few months and I can’t wait until the end of Brexit, then I have to make a deal with the UK government. If there are tax barriers being established on cars, you have to have a commitment for carmakers who export to Europe that there is some kind of compensation."
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Old 28.10.2016, 14:28
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TBH given the length of time needed for most investment decisions I'm sure to a high degree this was already decided before the vote. More probably there has been a last minute review plus some using of the opportunity to twist some arms in the UK government
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Belfast High Court rejects Brexit challenges

Good. Now they just need to up their game regarding gay cake slogans.
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TBH given the length of time needed for most investment decisions I'm sure to a high degree this was already decided before the vote. More probably there has been a last minute review plus some using of the opportunity to twist some arms in the UK government
Could be of course. But apparently Nissan plans to build what they call a super-factory; if UK is subjected to tariffs by EU every additional day spent on planning is sunk cost and possibly lost cost, or at least a less profitable investment. So there may well be more to it than just seizing the opportunity.
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So there may well be more to it than just seizing the opportunity.
Like the government promising to cover the cost of a 10% tarrif? I think that's likely.

Also from the business perspective, Nissan have invested in a highly trained workforce over the years, they know they have room for expansion at that location, and the transport routes are well established.

When you balance the cost and upheavel of moving vs the prospective cost of the tarrif, it would only take a nudge nudge wink wink from the government regarding the tarrif to make you stay put.
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During the debates as part of the Brexit campaign it was stated by the leave side that the worst case scenario for trade as a result of Brexit was the status quo.

Remain had a chance to rebuke that and just accepted it.

Maybe this has been proven to Nissan.
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'No cheque book' involved in Nissan pledge, says minister

"In a further boost, Toyota, which has a large factory in Derbyshire, also appeared to commit its future to the UK."

Perhaps some deal has been done with Japan, after that letter.
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Belfast High Court rejects Brexit challenges

Good. Now they just need to up their game regarding gay cake slogans.
The thing is those guys have more in common with each other than they have with mainland UK or Ireland.

Can you imagine the republicans signing up to join an Ireland that voted 62%/38% to enshrine same sex marriage into the constitution..... And of course it was not so long ago since SF were adamantly against EU membership!
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During the debates as part of the Brexit campaign it was stated by the leave side that the worst case scenario for trade as a result of Brexit was the status quo.

Remain had a chance to rebuke that and just accepted it.

Maybe this has been proven to Nissan.
Then I guess you simply weren't listening to the Remain campaign.
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Interesting comment.

It was a live debate on TV both sides were having their say. Leave made the statement. Remain said nothing in response.

Quite simple really.
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Interesting comment.

It was a live debate on TV both sides were having their say. Leave made the statement. Remain said nothing in response.

Quite simple really.
Source please?
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Maybe this has been proven to Nissan.
One can only assume that you are being sarcastic, because we're way past addressing the alternative!
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Interesting comment.

It was a live debate on TV both sides were having their say. Leave made the statement. Remain said nothing in response.

Quite simple really.
So apparently one little debate in the context of a huge campaign in which Remain constantly addressed the trade question and the negative impact an exit would have. Yes, would be interesting to see a link to this.

80% of the campaigns boiled down to two issues. Immigration on the Exit side and trade (and therefore the impact on the economy) on the remain side.
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The televised debates were a significant part of the campaign and helped to form public opinion as is the case in modern politics, so to belittle them is a bit strange.

It was a TV debate so no link.

Actually immigration was one of two equally significant issues on the leave side. The other being that of who rules the UK. You cannot leave that out.
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The televised debates were a significant part of the campaign and helped to form public opinion as is the case in modern politics, so to belittle them is a bit strange.

It was a TV debate so no link.

Actually immigration was one of two equally significant issues on the leave side. The other being that of who rules the UK. You cannot leave that out.
As you appear to be completely unable to verify your claim (and without verification I will not believe it), lets look at what we can still verify. From the Remain campaign website:

"Leaving the EU would damage trade, UK businesses and our economic growth, and put millions of jobs at risk.
There would be less trade, less investment, less business, higher prices and fewer jobs and opportunities for you and your family now and in the future."

Pretty clear I think. http://www.strongerin.co.uk/the_econ...31Jbfsd1MLT.97

And as for the sovereignty, that was only ever a mask for the immigration issue. As everyone even on the Exit side who really bothered to look into it knew, there was no loss of sovereignty. Anyway I said 80%.
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I thought you might say that, but have realised what a ridiculous statement it is.

You are saying that every quote I make based on what I have seen or heard I have to verify with a link.

What a sad world we live in.

And even then most links posted are from newspapers with agendas.

Oh and the obstacle to the Canada trade agreement is removed, so it can take place.

I don't know the details, but are they subject to FMOP and political union?
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I thought you might say that, but have realised what a ridiculous statement it is.

You are saying that every quote I make based on what I have seen or heard I have to verify with a link.

What a sad world we live in.
Forgive me for having slept since the debates. All we ask is who said it in which debate? The more exacting of people may ask for a link to the debate and which minute this happened so that they can fast forward to that part, rather than sift through the entire torrid event again.

Myself, I'm overly aware that many possible debates were cut short by time constraints.
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I thought you might say that, but have realised what a ridiculous statement it is.

You are saying that every quote I make based on what I have seen or heard I have to verify with a link.

What a sad world we live in.

And even then most links posted are from newspapers with agendas.

Oh and the obstacle to the Canada trade agreement is removed, so it can take place.

I don't know the details, but are they subject to FMOP and political union?
"I don't know the details, but are they subject to FMOP and political union?" Have you tried google?
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I don't know the details, but are they subject to FMOP and political union?
Why would they??? They are not getting access to the single market, it's a trade deal, something similar to what the UK hopes to negotiate with Canada.
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I thought you might say that, but have realised what a ridiculous statement it is.

You are saying that every quote I make based on what I have seen or heard I have to verify with a link?
No. I am saying that the impact on trade and thus the UK economy was such a massive feature of the remain campaign I cast severe doubt on your claim in this particular instance.

In truth, even if there was this one omission in one single debate it doesn't change the fact that a large portion of the remain campaign was built around exactly the negative impact on trade.
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