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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 29.10.2016, 16:04
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I thought you might say that, but have realised what a ridiculous statement it is.

You are saying that every quote I make based on what I have seen or heard I have to verify with a link.

What a sad world we live in.

And even then most links posted are from newspapers with agendas.

Oh and the obstacle to the Canada trade agreement is removed, so it can take place.

I don't know the details, but are they subject to FMOP and political union?
You claimed that some random TV debate by some unknown people on an unidentified date on who knows which channel set the whole strategy of the Remain campaign and then you act surprised when we question your credibility!

We already have a poster who posts memories from half remembered programmes; one is enough.
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Like the government promising to cover the cost of a 10% tarrif? I think that's likely.

Also from the business perspective, Nissan have invested in a highly trained workforce over the years, they know they have room for expansion at that location, and the transport routes are well established.

When you balance the cost and upheavel of moving vs the prospective cost of the tarrif, it would only take a nudge nudge wink wink from the government regarding the tarrif to make you stay put.
This ignores the third possibilty if it's decided that adjustments (and change later on) is necessary:
Leave existing structures in place (for now!) and start anew elsewhere rather than increasing capacity in the UK. See for instance Spain which not too long ago became 2nd largest European car(parts) producer. Those deciding about capacity to produce (assemble) hundreds of thousands cars probably need to use a "decennials" perspective.
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You claimed that some random TV debate by some unknown people on an unidentified date on who knows which channel set the whole strategy of the Remain campaign and then you act surprised when we question your credibility!

We already have a poster who posts memories from half remembered programmes; one is enough.
Not quite so extreme. It was one of the official debates (BBC / SKY) that was scheduled with the major players from both sides. It is something that stood out like the proverbial sore thumb.

The statement was made and remain agreed with it.

I have also made the same statement earlier in this discussion without such a response. I have also quoted BBC news items elsewhere.

My statement stands.
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In truth, even if there was this one omission in one single debate it doesn't change the fact that a large portion of the remain campaign was built around exactly the negative impact on trade.
Yes I entirely agree with you and that's what made it all the more amazing.

The remain campaign are still trying to prove the economic side, which essentially misses the whole reason for the result of the referendum. That I don't understand, why not address the issues it threw up? i.e FMOP and political union
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Old 29.10.2016, 20:57
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Not quite so extreme. It was one of the official debates (BBC / SKY) that was scheduled with the major players from both sides. It is something that stood out like the proverbial sore thumb.

The statement was made and remain agreed with it.

I have also made the same statement earlier in this discussion without such a response. I have also quoted BBC news items elsewhere.

My statement stands.
Well here are some TV debates;
Maybe you meant this one where the remain side said "Ms Davidson said she knew people found the EU "frustrating and fussy", but said it provided "a level playing field" for small businesses.
She said if the UK leaves, the rest of the EU would impose tariffs and taxes."



Or this one?
"Cameron replied: “I don’t accept it is scaremongering, sir. I am genuinely worried about Britain leaving the single market.”"

Or this one
"Cameron was also able to push the patriotic case against Brexit much harder than before. He said: “If you love this country, you don’t damage the economy, you don’t isolate it.”"
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My statement stands.
Actually it's just an unsubstantiated claim. Without a reference that's all it is and will be.
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That I don't understand, why not address the issues it threw up? i.e FMOP and political union
Because it is a package deal, when you join the club you don't get to pick and choose which rules you are going to follow and which you are going to ignore. Exit will address these issues, but has other consequences as well.
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Old 30.10.2016, 08:45
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Not quite so extreme. It was one of the official debates (BBC / SKY) that was scheduled with the major players from both sides. It is something that stood out like the proverbial sore thumb.

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Interesting comment.

It was a live debate on TV both sides were having their say. Leave made the statement. Remain said nothing in response.

Quite simple really.
So apparently Remain have moved from saying nothing in response to actively agreeing with it. There's a massive difference between your two claims.
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Did anyone see Kate Hoey on The Andrew Marr Show this morning?

She said that foreign students will still be welcome to study at British universities, but when their education has finished, they must go back where they came from.

Now...in the final year of uni courses, it's normal practice for major companies to go and recruit candidates for positions based upon their final degree results. According to Hoey's way of thinking, this will no longer be the case/allowed. That's got to be one of the most counterproductive things I've heard recently, and coming from a right nasty bint to boot.
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Did anyone see Kate Hoey on The Andrew Marr Show this morning?

She said that foreign students will still be welcome to study at British universities, but when their education has finished, they must go back where they came from.

Now...in the final year of uni courses, it's normal practice for major companies to go and recruit candidates for positions based upon their final degree results. According to Hoey's way of thinking, this will no longer be the case/allowed. That's got to be one of the most counterproductive things I've heard recently, and coming from a right nasty bint to boot.
Not a good way to sell high cost UK university courses?
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Old 30.10.2016, 22:19
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Did anyone see Kate Hoey on The Andrew Marr Show this morning?

She said that foreign students will still be welcome to study at British universities, but when their education has finished, they must go back where they came from.

Now...in the final year of uni courses, it's normal practice for major companies to go and recruit candidates for positions based upon their final degree results. According to Hoey's way of thinking, this will no longer be the case/allowed. That's got to be one of the most counterproductive things I've heard recently, and coming from a right nasty bint to boot.
Has to be wrong surely. Wouldn't they transfer to a work permit if selected by a company? Dunno but definitely shouldn't just boot them if they have skills.
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Did anyone see Kate Hoey on The Andrew Marr Show this morning?

She said that foreign students will still be welcome to study at British universities, but when their education has finished, they must go back where they came from.

Now...in the final year of uni courses, it's normal practice for major companies to go and recruit candidates for positions based upon their final degree results. According to Hoey's way of thinking, this will no longer be the case/allowed. That's got to be one of the most counterproductive things I've heard recently, and coming from a right nasty bint to boot.
Perhaps it's time for her to go where she belongs and take Gisela Stuart with her. The Tory party or UKIP would surely welcome them with open arms.
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Has to be wrong surely. Wouldn't they transfer to a work permit if selected by a company? Dunno but definitely shouldn't just boot them if they have skills.
One would hope so, but you can hear her in her own words on this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyXzlHJNyEM

The line about skilled workers is in stark contrast to what she says at 02:00mins into the clip. Make yer bloody mind up woman! Can't abide idiots like her.
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Ukip leadership hopeful Paul Nuttall says he would back a referendum on capital punishment
UKIP's Raheem Kassam pulls out of leadership race ("there are four candidates left in the UKIP race. They are: Suzanne Evans, Paul Nuttall, John Rees Evans, Peter Whittle")
The link between Brexit and the death penalty

Could a referendum on the death penalty be UKIP's new cause?
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Old 31.10.2016, 14:39
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Ukip leadership hopeful Paul Nuttall says he would back a referendum on capital punishment
UKIP's Raheem Kassam pulls out of leadership race ("there are four candidates left in the UKIP race. They are: Suzanne Evans, Paul Nuttall, John Rees Evans, Peter Whittle")
The link between Brexit and the death penalty

Could a referendum on the death penalty be UKIP's new cause?
Don't think so.

Not even the SVP have dared try that one yet, and I would say UKIP is maybe more extreme but less bold than SVP.
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Oh ffs!!! They're determined to drag us back into the middle ages. Bunch of freaking neanderthals.
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Greg Clark, the UK business secretary, has said the government is seeking a deal to shield Britain’s car manufacturing industry from the impact of Brexit by guaranteeing tariff-free access to Europe.
The Tory minister said he wrote to Nissan with a series of four assurances as he went “all out” to allay concerns about Brexit, promising that the government was confident of securing a deal that would keep the car industry competitive.

Honourable aims; hope he succeeds.
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Ukip leadership hopeful Paul Nuttall says he would back a referendum on capital punishment
UKIP's Raheem Kassam pulls out of leadership race ("there are four candidates left in the UKIP race. They are: Suzanne Evans, Paul Nuttall, John Rees Evans, Peter Whittle")
The link between Brexit and the death penalty

Could a referendum on the death penalty be UKIP's new cause?
A scouser that wants to introduce the death penalty and a brown guy that wants to limit Muslim immigration who was running on a platform of more direct democracy. The Left's head is exploding.
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Nah Loz. Anyone who wants to reintroduce the death penalty needs their bumps feeling. If that happens I will never set foot on Mud Island again.
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A scouser that wants to introduce the death penalty and a brown guy that wants to limit Muslim immigration who was running on a platform of more direct democracy. The Left's head is exploding.
Wouldn't it be better if UKIP started by including the Queensbury rules in their own constitution as a sort of test of the waters?
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