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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Thanks for those. So the conclusion could be that people in Scotland and Northern Ireland are overall wealthier and better educated than people in England and Wales. But the Scots apparently earn less than the UK average (source). As to education levels, it doesn't look as if Scotland is in a better position:
"School pupils results in the last year of compulsory education show that England, which lagged Scotland in 1998/99, had caught up with and overtaken Scotland by 2006/07, see Table 3A. This relative improvement has come about through a considerable raising of the English results while those for Scotland have remained largely unchanged. Both Wales and Northern Ireland have also seen improvements over time, although not as dramatic as for England."
http://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_133107_en.pdf

That suggests that the difference in the referendum result between Scotland and England/Wales must be accounted for by something else.


http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2...ote-to-remain/
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Was talking this over with one of my three friends who voted Leave on fb last night. He dad butted into the conversation with...

"It's alright for you. You've left this shithole of a country. I'd love to move to Africa but there's no need now because half of Africa have moved here."

My friend was very embarrassed by this as she's met my OH but didn't realise he's African. Don't underestimate the racist overtones in this country now. I've only been back for 4 days and the air reeks of it, and as I've said before here, I'm deliberately not giving work to people who come out with this crap. They have the right to believe what they want. I have the right to make damned sure not a single penny of my money goes into their pockets.
That must have been awkward. I can see why you wouldn't want to employ those people. Perhaps the willingness to express these views is because the Leave campaign and the referendum result rubber-stamped UKIP's world view, assisted by the Tories and not exactly countered by Labour. I wonder if UKIP's influence in England/Wales also helps account for the differences in the referendum result between Scotland/NI and England/Wales.
Mapped: where is Ukip's support strongest? Where there are no immigrants
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I was hoping that the government was being run by at least one competent politician, but after this, I doubt it. What a shower.
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Was talking this over with one of my three friends who voted Leave on fb last night. He dad butted into the conversation with...

"It's alright for you. You've left this shithole of a country. I'd love to move to Africa but there's no need now because half of Africa have moved here."

My friend was very embarrassed by this as she's met my OH but didn't realise he's African. Don't underestimate the racist overtones in this country now. I've only been back for 4 days and the air reeks of it, and as I've said before here, I'm deliberately not giving work to people who come out with this crap. They have the right to believe what they want. I have the right to make damned sure not a single penny of my money goes into their pockets.
"Racist overtones". You know this word is banded about so freely these days it doesn't actually mean anything.
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In my opinion, it's all David Cameron's fault.
He promised the people that HIS government would respect their vote, then instead of doing this he quit.
The rest of the political class are not bound by his commitment. The law says that the referendum was advisory, so they can vote whatever they want in parliament.
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For the purpose of a referendum it's a majority vote. For general elections yes it's First Past the Post.
And we have our first "jumper"

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37872899
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UK is getting more like Turkey every day!
Just needs May to go for populist support by firing a few judges and locking up some Remain MPs
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And we have our first "jumper"

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37872899
He voted leave but believed the Leaving process should be lawful via Parliament
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"in a country where UKIP has little resonance and where a pro-European SNP has come to dominate the political landscape, views that elsewhere disinclined many a voter to back Remain had less impact north of the border"

It sounds as if the SNP is the antidote to UKIP. Perhaps they could do with their influence south of the border too.
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I completely agree with the Mail bit. for the Farage line I think thats interpretation, he's not inciting violence, he is telling the truth I would say of the man on the street. If you think about in the main what the leave voters were, they were (in the majority, not all) from poor working class midland and northern areas, who felt that the wealthy people of London and the London-centric Governamen had ignored them, not invested, focused on the south. That was the view, whether it was right or not is another question.

the vote came along and it was the chance for the working class to give the Elite who were treading on them for the past 15 yeras a kick in the teeth, so they had a vote, which said on the paper "the Government will do what you indicate" and they ticket "leave". Despite the very knowledgable people on Ef pointing out "well they cant really do that, its only advisory" etc to the bloke on the street in blackburn, he voted leave.

Leave Won. Blackburn man was chuffed to bits, he'd beaten the Rich London Set for the first time in 20 years.

Except now, one of the Rich London Set has started legal proceedings to say it wasnt legal, that a vote is needed, that "its not about stopping the process its about following the correct procedures".

in london, that might sound great. if i was a bloke on the street in Blackburn I'd be foaming at the mouth with rage.
Love your use of Blackburn in this example given their history of voting for the BNP.
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He voted leave but believed the Leaving process should be lawful via Parliament
I was wondering if he'd switch to UKIP, but he couldn't with that attitude.
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I completely agree with the Mail bit. for the Farage line I think thats interpretation, he's not inciting violence, he is telling the truth I would say of the man on the street. If you think about in the main what the leave voters were, they were (in the majority, not all) from poor working class midland and northern areas, who felt that the wealthy people of London and the London-centric Governamen had ignored them, not invested, focused on the south. That was the view, whether it was right or not is another question.

the vote came along and it was the chance for the working class to give the Elite who were treading on them for the past 15 yeras a kick in the teeth, so they had a vote, which said on the paper "the Government will do what you indicate" and they ticket "leave". Despite the very knowledgable people on Ef pointing out "well they cant really do that, its only advisory" etc to the bloke on the street in blackburn, he voted leave.

Leave Won. Blackburn man was chuffed to bits, he'd beaten the Rich London Set for the first time in 20 years.

Except now, one of the Rich London Set has started legal proceedings to say it wasnt legal, that a vote is needed, that "its not about stopping the process its about following the correct procedures".

in london, that might sound great. if i was a bloke on the street in Blackburn I'd be foaming at the mouth with rage.
"from poor working class midland and northern areas" well that is certainly one of the popular theories.

But then it gets hard to explain N. Ireland and Scotland voting Remain when they both have unemployment rates higher than England and Wales; even higher than both East and West Midlands and roughly the same as Yorkshire and Humber.
The UK area with the second highest unemployment rate is London

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"Racist overtones". You know this word is banded about so freely these days it doesn't actually mean anything.
How would you respond to someone saying your partner should "go back where they came from", then changing their mind when they were informed by a third party that your partner is caucasian and their father was a millionaire? Are you seriously telling me that isn't blatant racism?
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Theresa May has said she is "confident" that the government will win its appeal against a High Court ruling on triggering Brexit talks.
She told European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker and Germany's Angela Merkel she was committed to triggering Article 50 by March 2017.
Three judges ruled that she cannot do so without Parliament's support.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37868987

Good for you luv! I'm confident she's going to see her arse over this.
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How would you respond to someone saying your partner should "go back where they came from", then changing their mind when they were informed by a third party that your partner is caucasian and their father was a millionaire?
Not by saying there's racist overtones across the whole country.
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How would you respond to someone saying your partner should "go back where they came from", then changing their mind when they were informed by a third party that your partner is caucasian and their father was a millionaire? Are you seriously telling me that isn't blatant racism?

if they change there mind because his old man is a millionaire doesn't that mean they aren't really racist and are just bloody stupid?
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Not by saying there's racist overtones across the whole country.
Let me put it to you this way, in the four years that we did live together in the UK, we only encountered it once.

In the months since Brexit, we've encountered it several times, in various locations. My brother-outlaw is encountering it on a near daily basis now after living in the UK for over 20yrs. When he challanges it, the answer he keeps getting is "But you're not one of them. You're more like us." Funny thing to say to an African man with a very, very Greek name.
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How would you respond to someone saying your partner should "go back where they came from", then changing their mind when they were informed by a third party that your partner is caucasian and their father was a millionaire? Are you seriously telling me that isn't blatant racism?
Just to give some balance for the non uk based users of EF, my family live in the UK in three regions and havent noticed any increase in unpleasantness. You just seem to have some rotten luck in life what with your never-ending tales of run ins with political or racial turmoil around the world.
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Love your use of Blackburn in this example given their history of voting for the BNP.
I picked it at random. lets say York then, is that a bit more cultural for you ?
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if they change there mind because his old man is a millionaire doesn't that mean they aren't really racist and are just bloody stupid?
In this case, it meant he didn't care as long as he was white and bringing money into the country. However, this particular person also wants yesterday's High Court judges to be publically hanged.

That's what I'm seeing here and it's toxic! This is my third time back in the UK post-Brexit and I hate being here now. It's like so much of what was warm, familiar and reassuring has gone.
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