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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Thanks to the EU I'm actually free to move away from the morons who vote against their self interests for principles that won't ever apply to them. I really like the socialist streak in the EU,I really like that companies have to label food correctly, I enjoy free movement around europe, my pension, my savings, I can move them where I want. Leaving the EU will do nothing for me, and let's face it, unless you're a billionare living here for tax reasons, leaving the EU is gonna give you nothing but a smug face.
There is so much wrong with that, and with your previous posts, that it's impossible to respond how I'd like. But picking up on just one random statement, "I really like the socialist streak in the EU", one of the saddest and most exasperating sights in this campaign is seeing the Left shamefacedly pledge support for an institution they know to be thoroughly undemocratic and pro-big business. If you really think that a single currency and free movement of labour benefits (or is intended to benefit) the ordinary working person, I'm flabbergasted.

Labelling laws and excessive regulation achieve little beyond driving small firms out of business. And in any case, these are not EU-specific. There is no reason at all why an independent nation cannot legislate on these things. As it happens, the EU has mounted a legal challenge against the UK's "traffic light" food labelling on the grounds that it's "too negative", and they are also gunning for the proposed sugar tax on the grounds that it threatens some EU exports to the UK.

There's no reason why the UK, the world's 5th largest economy, cannot survive and flourish outside the EU, just as we did for centuries until 40 years ago, and as about another 150 countries currently manage to do.
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I don't think I said villages were empty, my point was more that nightlife in the UK is dying, and I think it's because the youth have no spending money.

If you're a middle aged, middle class guy, maybe it all looks peachy, but I think it's the sign of a dying economy.
You said "has anyone been out in their local towns nowadays? There might as well be tumble weeds, there's more going in in the little town of Luzern than larger towns in the UK" so depends on interpretation.

I think UK Nightlife is doing wonderfully. so there you go, its a draw.
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Old 16.05.2016, 22:01
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In most cases, 1-2 % is considered small.

Like say, if I told you I had to pay out 153 million in taxes, that would seem big, but if i told you that that was after all my tax dodging and actually only amoount to 5 percent of my income, you'd start to wonder why you have to pav 30%
Our EU "bill" is £18 billion a year. After rebate and subsidies etc, we pay a net figure of about £13.5 billion each year.
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Old 16.05.2016, 22:28
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And thats the thing with UKs problems, inflation figures don't show the true cost of rising rent and mortgages, shelter is a basic need for everyone, but it's not taken into account when considering the purchasing power of new generations. Sure, your pound still pays for beer, but you have less of those little pounds coz you have to pay for a place to live, while inflation may be low, younger people are still worse off in what they can spend money on.
Base lending rate is at a 500 year low, Mortgages are cheaper than 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 40, 50, 60, 80, 90 or 100 years ago. Lax lending allowed people to borrow more so prices rose accordingly
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Britain is a very small country in a very big world.
4th largest economy in the world, you really do not have a clue what your talking about.
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Our EU "bill" is £18 billion a year. After rebate and subsidies etc, we pay a net figure of about £13.5 billion each year.
Which exceeds all of the savings from austerity.
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You said "has anyone been out in their local towns nowadays? There might as well be tumble weeds, there's more going in in the little town of Luzern than larger towns in the UK" so depends on interpretation.

I think UK Nightlife is doing wonderfully. so there you go, its a draw.
My home town lies halfway between Manchester and Liverpool. From December 2013 to November 2015, I moved darn sarf because of my OH's work and realised that it's absolutely true...Southerners can't hold a piss up in a brewery!

I couldn't wait for my regular weekends back home, but gees! My liver suffered for a few days after each trip. All is well with the night life in NW UK.
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In short, I used to be furious that the EU changed my passport, but that's a really stupid thing to be upset over.

Thanks to the EU I'm actually free to move away from the morons who vote against their self interests for principles that won't ever apply to them. I really like the socialist streak in the EU,I really like that companies have to label food correctly, I enjoy free movement around europe, my pension, my savings, I can move them where I want. Leaving the EU will do nothing for me, and let's face it, unless you're a billionare living here for tax reasons, leaving the EU is gonna give you nothing but a smug face.
or if your a plumber and have seen your working rate drop steadily for the last ten years.
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4th largest economy in the world, you really do not have a clue what your talking about.
Sorry but your maths is letting you down again...

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UK tipped to become world's fourth-largest economy in 2030s

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Old 16.05.2016, 22:40
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Sorry but your maths is letting you down again...



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-tipped-b...-2030s-1534942
Sorry 5th largest economy, could easily become the 4th rather quicker if out of the EU.
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Sorry 5th largest economy, could easily become the 4th rather quicker if out of the EU.
Is that a gamble you're prepared to take? We'll never be top 3, but 5th (within the EU) is a very healthy place to be. I'm loathe to jeopardise that.
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or if your a plumber and have seen your working rate drop steadily for the last ten years.
...then you're doing something very wrong. One of my former colleagues has recently retrained as a plumber and she's making double what she made working in Business travel.

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Is that a gamble you're prepared to take? We'll never be top 3, but 5th (within the EU) is a very healthy place to be. I'm loathe to jeopardise that.
Why aim to mainly trade with Europe, where the economy has not grown in the last 10 years....... aim to trade with growing economies.

You have to remember that we buy a lot of goods from Europe, I don't see that VW, BMW or Mercedes will not want to sell to the UK, our trade with Europe will be unaffected as Europe has too much to loose. Switzerland does OK out of the EU.....
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Why aim to mainly trade with Europe, where the economy has not grown in the last 10 years....... aim to trade with growing economies.

You have to remember that we buy a lot of goods from Europe, I don't see that VW, BMW or Mercedes will not want to sell to the UK, our trade with Europe will be unaffected as Europe has too much to loose. Switzerland does OK out of the EU.....
Is the UK prohibited from trading with other nations?

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or if your a plumber and have seen your working rate drop steadily for the last ten years.
I've saw my purchasing drop yearly when I lived back in the UK ten years ago, it wasn't that I wasn't paid well. More people have less money, they can't afford the local plumber, leaving the EU ain't gonna fix not being able to afford a plumber.

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Is the UK prohibited from trading with other nations?
Many restrictions due to EU Policy, it's not a free market as we need to support failing Europe at any cost.

Having a trade agreement with China would be a good starting point, won't happen with the EU as China can do things cheaper due to lower wages.
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What does having a larger economy have to do with most people anymore? Any institution that has a small empolyee base but large transactions will screw the figures. Rich people in the UK do well, 90% of the population fail to benefit from that. Living next to the bank don't make you rich.

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Many restrictions due to EU Policy, it's not a free market as we need to support failing Europe at any cost.
Really? Again, last time I checked, I did not have any problems buying anything from anyone, could you give an example?

Let's take beef for example, how much of UK trade is forced to buy EU rather than say, brazllian beef?

Consumer choice takes an effect too, it's not that the UK is forced to trade in EU goods, it's that many consumer trust it, coz of things like proper labelling.

Leaving the EU ain't gonna do nothing till britain either takes steps to lower the cost of shelter or raise the wages of the UK citizens. Leaving the EU might stem some low cost jobs, but middle england sure as hell will not lower their rents.

Even my mum, bless, felt guilty about raising the rent for her tenent, but what was she to do? Not charge more?

It's not that I'm completely guilt free, I was just part of a land deal that I'm hoping to get the money out of the UK before the Brexit vote, if it wins, I fear for the pound.

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Please use multi quote or edit, having 6 posts in a row makes you look foolish.

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OK, kind of moved away from forums and got used to a post what you said and can't edit it after, type of affair....

Still, rather feel foolish for not using forum posts over posting unsubstantianed claims that bear no reflection to reality.

You can move this one off topic, but I'm in a little dilema.

I kinda want to edit my posts and extend them, but also, they're additions, they weren't what I originally said. I don't want other users quoting a post that I later make ammendments too, it's a fast moving thread, it makes other users look foollish if they quote something that I later added to before they replied but after I added a new thought.

I don't want other users to think I deceived them because my post got editted after their reply. On this particular topic, there are just too many things I want to say, if the amount of posts is annoying, I apologise.

Anyway, back to you fatman. Currently I could litterally build a mobile from components in china on my sofa, the EU ain't gonna stop me. If you think that the EU is gonna stop joe bloggs from setting up a little shop importing goods from india because they're not EU produced you're deluded.

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You can move this one off topic, but I'm in a little dilema.

I kinda want to edit my posts and extend them, but also, they're additions, they weren't what I originally said. I don't want other users quoting a post that I later make ammendments too, it's a fast moving thread, it makes other users look foollish if they quote something that I later added to before they replied but after I added a new thought.

I don't want other users to think I deceived them because my post got editted after their reply. On this particular topic, there are just too many things I want to say, if the amount of posts is annoying, I apologise.
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Old 17.05.2016, 00:38
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Anyway, back to you fatman. Currently I could litterally build a mobile from components in china on my sofa, the EU ain't gonna stop me. If you think that the EU is gonna stop joe bloggs from setting up a little shop importing goods from india because they're not EU produced you're deluded.
So what your saying is that agreements are irrelevant, the UK can trade throughout the world & equally well with the EU if it leaves, so there is no reason whatsoever the be a member of the EU.

I am pleased your getting my point.
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I did once work on an EU aid project, we had to source all our components from the EU, that's always fun with computers. Other than that, have I suffered from the EU's brutal control of UKs free trade? nope.

Have I had a bit of culture shock from not being able to buy anything I want from the supermarkets here? Yes, and I now eat almost exclusively local. If you want to sell that idea, sell it, don't try and con people that there gonna get acces to things they already have

Will post EU briatain have a greater access to food and drink at lower prices than it does now? I can't really see the abundant amounts of non european food disaapearing, or getting cheaper for "reasons".

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So what your saying is that agreements are irrelevant, the UK can trade throughout the world & equally well with the EU if it leaves, so there is no reason whatsoever the be a member of the EU.

I am pleased your getting my point.
Nah, I live in a strong free market state that has good ties with china. China has manufacturing facilities that will make things that comply with all EU laws. The UK, on it's own, does not.

EDIT! Also you seem to be evading the point about EU restrictions for all of us that don't exist. So there's no point in leaving the EU.

I utterly fail to see how leaving the EU is going to benifit any single person on this forum.

Excpet the i"?m moving to another country to get away from the foreigners" or "I'm moving away to pay less taxes" types.

Everyone else, you gonna move back to the UK if it leaves?

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There is so much wrong with that, and with your previous posts, that it's impossible to respond how I'd like. But picking up on just one random statement, "I really like the socialist streak in the EU", one of the saddest and most exasperating sights in this campaign is seeing the Left shamefacedly pledge support for an institution they know to be thoroughly undemocratic and pro-big business. If you really think that a single currency and free movement of labour benefits (or is intended to benefit) the ordinary working person, I'm flabbergasted.
There were quite a few from the left who supported EU as they saw it as a backdoor way to bring in some socialist policies (e.g. WTD). Now, there are quite a few vocal anti-EU voices on the left - who see that EU is not necessarily pro-worker (esp. what they did in Greece).

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Under EU customs Union, the UK has lost part of its control over its trade policy and cannot sign free trade deals or favourable trade deals with other countries. The damage that this done in the last years cannot easily be calculated.


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Let's take beef for example, how much of UK trade is forced to buy EU rather than say, brazllian beef?
It's not necessarily a ban on, say, non-EU beef, but tariffs that make it more expensive. you can look it up, but, say if you slap on a 20% tariff, then you favour products from some countries over others.

Other more subtle ones come from sneaky trade barrier put in e.g. reduction in aflotoxins allowed in brazil nuts. Of course, there was no scientific basis to reduce from the exising 20ppb to 4ppb (or whatever they reduced it to). But that handily stopped the ecologically friendly hand-harvested from rainforest nuts in bolivia from coming in for a while. The upshot is of course higher prices (and shortages in EU) of those nuts. I'll wager some Eurocrat earned a fat brown envelope from some industry lobbyist who did well to shut out cheap competition.

To be honest, I think not only will the UK benefit from being out of the EU, but so would all of Europe. The EU has become a giant anti-democratic parasite. The EU economy has been slowly tanking (IMO, in no small part due to EU instincts and practices).
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