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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 24.05.2016, 02:42
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I like and admire much about Eddie Izzard, ever since first seeing him at the Edinburgh Fringe about 30 years ago.

But he should stick to what he does best -- comedy, endurance running, and rapid language learning.

He's not good at politics. Listen to Eddie on "Pienaar's Politics" yesterday. http://bbc.in/1MyyIac. Quite embarrassing, I thought, when pressed on his political ambitions.
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Well due to global warming we are hoping to see more vineyards
Be careful what you wish for. Have you tried English wine?
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Old 24.05.2016, 11:50
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Be careful what you wish for. Have you tried English wine?
best in the world!
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Old 24.05.2016, 14:17
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What's your problem with Eddie Izzard?
Whilst as a comedian he can be quite funny, his forays into politics are without doubt hilarious. He just epitomises how out of touch Labour are with their traditional, working class voters.
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Old 24.05.2016, 16:09
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Whilst as a comedian he can be quite funny

Used to be quite funny.


We went to see him live a couple of years ago and we walked out halfway through, he was that boring.


It's a shame, because the Death Star canteen is one of the best routines in the history of stand up.


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He just epitomises how out of touch Labour are with their traditional, working class voters.

Labour stopped caring about working class voters a long, long time ago.


I'm surprised they haven't made a video warning us how Brexit will deny us all access to our favourite Chianti and Brie.
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Old 24.05.2016, 16:46
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Used to be quite funny.

We went to see him live a couple of years ago and we walked out halfway through, he was that boring.
I think I was at the same show, in Zürich, only I didn't walk out, as I'd fallen asleep.
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Britons who have lived abroad for more than 15 years will not be allowed to vote in the EU referendum, the supreme court has ruled.

Makes you feel British when you are not allowed to vote

But, Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral roll as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible to vote in the EU referendum.

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Old 24.05.2016, 17:53
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Britons who have lived abroad for more than 15 years will not be allowed to vote in the EU referendum, the supreme court has ruled.

Makes you feel British when you are not allowed to vote

But, Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral roll as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible to vote in the EU referendum.

This can't possibly be legal in a democracy! GB still is a democracy or is it not?!
You guys should all ask for asylum here in Switzerland if this is gonna be pulled through
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Old 24.05.2016, 18:11
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Britons who have lived abroad for more than 15 years will not be allowed to vote in the EU referendum, the supreme court has ruled.

Makes you feel British when you are not allowed to vote

But, Commonwealth migrants from 54 states - including Australia, Canada, India, Pakistan and Nigeria - can join the electoral roll as long are they are residents in the UK.

Unlike the general election, Commonwealth citizens in Gibraltar will also be eligible to vote in the EU referendum.

Having not registered to vote prior to leaving the UK -- despite being away for less than 15 years -- I am also not eligible to register online now to vote in the referendum (or any other plebiscite).
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Let me set this straight: if you guys (talking to the Brits now) vote to stay in the EU, can you please stop whining every time something happens?
Thanks in advance.
I appreciate you may have been only half serious, but more widely this sentiment needs to be taken seriously. This vote is being presented by the Remain campaign as a leap into the unknown vs. the status quo, probably because it's much easier to play on people's fear of the unknown than actually come up with positive arguments. However, a vote to Remain is not a vote for the status quo. We're told that staying in the EU allows us to reform it from within, but it's clear that the British idea of what the EU should look like is rather different from that held by most of Europe. In my opinion the EU would be even less receptive to British attempts at influencing its direction after a Remain vote, because they would just tell us we should have taken the opportunity to leave if we were really that unhappy.
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Old 25.05.2016, 01:21
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I appreciate you may have been only half serious, but more widely this sentiment needs to be taken seriously. This vote is being presented by the Remain campaign as a leap into the unknown vs. the status quo, probably because it's much easier to play on people's fear of the unknown than actually come up with positive arguments. However, a vote to Remain is not a vote for the status quo. We're told that staying in the EU allows us to reform it from within, but it's clear that the British idea of what the EU should look like is rather different from that held by most of Europe. In my opinion the EU would be even less receptive to British attempts at influencing its direction after a Remain vote, because they would just tell us we should have taken the opportunity to leave if we were really that unhappy.
'Being in the EU allows us to reform it from within' is exactly what the Swiss who want to join tell us too. Now just imagine what a great impact we would have trying to do that
The "in" in Britain using this argument make me wonder why they didn't influence it from within then in all this time? And why now all of a sudden they claim they want to/are able to?
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'Being in the EU allows us to reform it from within' is exactly what the Swiss who want to join tell us too. Now just imagine what a great impact we would have trying to do that
The "in" in Britain using this argument make me wonder why they didn't influence it from within then in all this time? And why now all of a sudden they claim they want to/are able to?
Yes, we've spent years -- decades -- trying to reform the EU from within, without success. Now that the EU has expanded to 28 countries, we no longer have a meaningful veto either.

This is precisely why I've moved from being a big supporter of the EU over 30 years or so, to being a Leaver.

Love Europe, dislike the EU.
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Be careful what you wish for. Have you tried English wine?
You clearly haven't ...the Kent vineyard Chapel Down has consistently thrashed all wines and become one of the highest achieving gold medal winners as producers of wine and sparkling wine ( champagne if you like).

One of the largest and best known producers of champagne in Reims, has bought several hundreds of acres of land to produce their product in Kent near Canterbury. 🍷🍷👍

That producer is Taittinger.......using local winemakers. 😎
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Yes, we've spent years -- decades -- trying to reform the EU from within, without success. Now that the EU has expanded to 28 countries, we no longer have a meaningful veto either.
And what pray tell is a meaningful veto? You either have a veto or you don't. And right now there is nothing in the treaty that has not been approved by the elected government of the U.K.
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That pole at the top of every page is starting to annoy me!

The clear winner "I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU" is not an option for voters and is never going to happen. If that was the UK's choice I'd support it. It isn't.

The only choice is in or out. "In" means our standing will be even weaker than before the vote because the Euro-sceptics will have been silenced.

I have no idea what "out" will mean. But it will at least be the end of Cameron...
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And what pray tell is a meaningful veto? You either have a veto or you don't. And right now there is nothing in the treaty that has not been approved by the elected government of the U.K.
I may be wrong, but I believe that until the expansion, a single country disagreeing with a proposal would be a veto. And that this is no longer the case. There have to be more than one country in disagreement. In other words, you can register disagreement but unless others join you, you don't have the power of veto.

Please correct me on the details but that was the general change I was referring to.
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I may be wrong, but I believe that until the expansion, a single country disagreeing with a proposal would be a veto. And that this is no longer the case. There have to be more than one country in disagreement. In other words, you can register disagreement but unless others join you, you don't have the power of veto.

Please correct me on the details but that was the general change I was referring to.
"a single country disagreeing with a proposal would be a veto. And that this is no longer the case." Do you have a source for this or is it just propaganda?

I assume you are talking about the Treaty of Lisbon which extended the principle of majority voting?

Nevertheless every country (including UK) has a veto in these areas;
  • membership of the Union (opening of accession negotiations, association, serious violations of the Union's values, etc.);
  • change the status of an overseas country or territory (OCT) to an outermost region (OMR) or vice versa.[26]
  • taxation;
  • the finances of the Union (own resources, the multiannual financial framework);
  • harmonisation in the field of social security and social protection;
  • certain provisions in the field of justice and home affairs (the European prosecutor, family law, operational police cooperation, etc.);
  • the flexibility clause (352 TFEU) allowing the Union to act to achieve one of its objectives in the absence of a specific legal basis in the treaties;
  • the common foreign and security policy, with the exception of certain clearly defined cases;
  • the common security and defence policy, with the exception of the establishment of permanent structured cooperation;
  • citizenship (the granting of new rights to European citizens, anti-discrimination measures);
  • certain institutional issues (the electoral system and composition of the Parliament, certain appointments, the composition of the Committee of the Regions and the European Economic and Social Committee, the seats of the institutions, the language regime, the revision of the treaties, including the bridging clauses, etc.).
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'Being in the EU allows us to reform it from within' is exactly what the Swiss who want to join tell us too. Now just imagine what a great impact we would have trying to do that
The "in" in Britain using this argument make me wonder why they didn't influence it from within then in all this time? And why now all of a sudden they claim they want to/are able to?
The presidency of the Council rotates among the EU member states every 6 months.
Ironically it will be UKs turn from July to December 2017 unless the "leavers" win.
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That pole at the top of every page is starting to annoy me!

The clear winner "I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU" is not an option for voters and is never going to happen. If that was the UK's choice I'd support it. It isn't.

The only choice is in or out. "In" means our standing will be even weaker than before the vote because the Euro-sceptics will have been silenced.

I have no idea what "out" will mean. But it will at least be the end of Cameron...
In defence of the poll (as its creator ) it's not my fault if people vote for their imaginary preference.
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You clearly haven't ...the Kent vineyard Chapel Down has consistently thrashed all wines and become one of the highest achieving gold medal winners as producers of wine and sparkling wine ( champagne if you like).
In fact I have (5 or so years ago I went to a wedding reception at a large vineyard in Sussex (can't remember which one)) and wasn't at all impressed, however I understand that there is much variation in wine and I'm hardly an expert.

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