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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 30.05.2016, 11:04
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Most of the poor economic performance can be attributed to the Euro, and poor youth employment is a result of government policies. Britain is making fairly good progress outside the Euro, I think if it was in the Euro-zone it would be very different.
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Old 30.05.2016, 12:18
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Most of the poor economic performance can be attributed to the Euro, and poor youth employment is a result of government policies. Britain is making fairly good progress outside the Euro, I think if it was in the Euro-zone it would be very different.


A week currency should be helpful in business assuming your looking to trade worldwide & high interest rates are not hurting poorer members so I call BS to the euro excuse.

The weak euro is the result not cause of the problems
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Old 30.05.2016, 12:37
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If having free trade is economically benefit for both parties then it would make sense to enter into such an agreement. If they would not enter such an agreement it proves that the EU acts to economically disadvantage its members.
Well said.
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Old 30.05.2016, 15:03
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Well I've just posted my vote.

Let's see where this goes.
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Old 30.05.2016, 15:16
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Well I've just posted my vote.

Let's see where this goes.
Going to do mine today. Hope it gets there, not sure I trust the "no stamp needed" thing!
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Old 30.05.2016, 17:43
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Going to do mine today. Hope it gets there, not sure I trust the "no stamp needed" thing!
I wouldn't as that probably only applies to UK addresses. I always put Swiss stamps on anything like that, otherwise I'm afraid it'll either take forever to arrive or end up in a black hole somewhere along the way.
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Old 30.05.2016, 18:04
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I wouldn't as that probably only applies to UK addresses. I always put Swiss stamps on anything like that, otherwise I'm afraid it'll either take forever to arrive or end up in a black hole somewhere along the way.
It has an airmail stamp on it and says both in French and English, no stamp required, postage paid.
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Old 30.05.2016, 18:19
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Going to do mine today. Hope it gets there, not sure I trust the "no stamp needed" thing!
What concerns me is the "Make sure that the Counting Officer's address on Envelope A shows through the window of Envelope B" notice.

There is no window on envelope B!
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Old 30.05.2016, 18:34
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Going to do mine today. Hope it gets there, not sure I trust the "no stamp needed" thing!
I had the same reaction. Posted mine, but put my return address on it just in case it's returned for insufficient postage!
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Before posting make sure you watch https://www.brexitthemovie.com/
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Old 31.05.2016, 00:14
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Before posting make sure you watch https://www.brexitthemovie.com/
Well that was a very one-sided video. Make sure you view both sides of the argument before making your decision.
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Well that was a very one-sided video. Make sure you view both sides of the argument before making your decision.
Impressive you managed to watch a 1 hour video in 24 minutes before making that conclusion....
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Old 31.05.2016, 10:25
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Impressive you managed to watch a 1 hour video in 24 minutes before making that conclusion....
You are late, we have already been presented with that rubbishy one sided stupid video. Most people aren't stupid, and recognise propaganda when they see it.

I will ask again. The Brexit camp says everything is going to be better. How will that happen? Facts please, not hot air!
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Old 31.05.2016, 10:35
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I will ask again. The Brexit camp says everything is going to be better. How will that happen? Facts please, not hot air!
Fact 1: The UK will not be contributing to the salaries of unelected, unaccountable suits in Brussels.

Fact 2: Unelected, unaccountable suits in Brussels will have no say in how the UK runs it's affairs.

Both these facts will be better.

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Old 31.05.2016, 10:50
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Fact 1: The UK will not be contributing to the salaries of unelected, unaccountable suits in Brussels.

Fact 2: Unelected, unaccountable suits in Brussels will have no say in how the UK runs its affairs.

Both these facts will be better.
True, they will be replaced by UK civil servants who are also unelected, unaccountable suits to do the administration work currently done in Brussels.

Except the UK suits will be doing it for one country instead of 26 so there will be no economy of scale and we will need many more of them!
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Old 31.05.2016, 10:56
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When the EU has free trade agreements with all the major foreign powers then what will that leave for the UK?
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This makes no sense.
OK, I will rephrase it.

When the major powers around the world have free trade agreements with the EU in place then why will they invest resources to negotiate and develop new free trade agreements with the relatively tiny UK?
What is the driver?
What is the UK's unique selling point.
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Old 31.05.2016, 11:20
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OK, I will rephrase it.

When the major powers around the world have free trade agreements with the EU in place then why will they invest resources to negotiate and develop new free trade agreements with the relatively tiny UK?
What is the driver?
What is the UK's unique selling point.
1. Negotiating an FTA doesn't mean you can't negotiate with anyone else
2. The UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world
3. Having a trade agreement negotiated by the UK actually means the UK can get one that benefits the UK instead of a hodge podge of compromises that is tailored to the rest of the EU (given the differences between the UK and rest of EU economy). Currently the EU negotiated trade deals may not be in the UK interest
4. The UK economy has a huge service component - something that the EU cares so little about that they haven't even opened up the internal EU service trade (mostly as an internal protectionist measure against the UK). It is also reflected in the fact that that 2 in 3 EU trade deals don't even covers trade in services!

The UK would be able to negotiate better trade deals than the EU and faster too. The UK has been harmed during its period of membership in the EU during which it has been blocked from concluding its own trade agreements.
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Fact 1: The UK will not be contributing to the salaries of unelected, unaccountable suits in Brussels.

Fact 2: Unelected, unaccountable suits in Brussels will have no say in how the UK runs it's affairs.
You're still falling for that one? Even my 15yr old great nephew blew that point out of the water on Sunday afternoon. And I quote...

"So Britain's EU Commissioner was chosen by Cameron to represent us. Now you, granddad, grandma and my mum and dad don't choose him, but the MEPs can block him. So...Nigel Farage has a say but you don't. So...somebody's not telling all the truth, is he? And if you lot go messing things up for me and Matthew, I won't be talking to you."

Out of the mouths' of babes...
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Impressive you managed to watch a 1 hour video in 24 minutes before making that conclusion....
I'd already seen it before, so wind your neck back in.
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You're still falling for that one? Even my 15yr old great nephew blew that point out of the water on Sunday afternoon. And I quote...

"So Britain's EU Commissioner was chosen by Cameron to represent us. Now you, granddad, grandma and my mum and dad don't choose him, but the MEPs can block him. So...Nigel Farage has a say but you don't. So...somebody's not telling all the truth, is he? And if you lot go messing things up for me and Matthew, I won't be talking to you."

Out of the mouths' of babes...
Thus proving he's 15 years old.

David Cameron, the elected head of state, chooses the Britain's EU Commissioner. Do you have a problem that the elected Tory party are able to create new legislation too? Elected MEPs are also able to block the Commissioner that Cameron has chosen.

So we've established that the process for choosing an EU commissioner is fair for Britain.

But he/she is only one of 28 other members. And the UK has no influence in who is chosen from other countries. Yet remarkably they have an influence on new EU laws which affect the UK.
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