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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Well our 'higher up ' is really a 'lower down' - eg the Head of a small rural PO.
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Our envelopes clearly said 'no stamp required' and the Head of our Post Office confirmed it was OK. But we will never have proof that our votes will get there and be counted!?
When we were living in Germany we sometimes got official mail from the Uk in those unstamped envelopes marked "On Her Majesty's Service". Sometimes our German postman would charge us excess postage claiming they didn't have a stamp or postmark. We tried to explain to him that in Britain the government uses those envelopes to send stuff to people and doesn't need to pay. His argument was always, "but this is Germany".

Just because the British authorities print something on an enevlope doesn't guarantee the German post Office will just nod it through.

And anyway, what's the cost of a postage stamp compared to your right to vote?
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Yep, like a tired old comedy act, trotting out the same old stuff night after night..

I do find him funny at times tho'
I see him more as this very obvious parody...
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ah - but this is Switzerland
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Old 09.06.2016, 13:50
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This happened to someone I know living in Belgium. He was told by his local post office that his pre-paid envelope would be binned unless he put stamps on it.
Everyone I know in Belgium who is eligible to vote has put stamps on the envelope just to be on the safe side. The Belgian post office made it very clear that the pre-paid envelope meant nothing to them and the letter would not be sent without a stamp.

If I were eligible to vote and was sending it from here I would definitely put a stamp on it just to be on the safe side. It's worth the cost of a stamp IMO.
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Everyone I know in Belgium who is eligible to vote has put stamps on the envelope just to be on the safe side. The Belgian post office made it very clear that the pre-paid envelope meant nothing to them and the letter would not be sent without a stamp.
So it sounds as if the Guardian article may not be entirely reliable, and even the information obtained by the Electoral Commission.

"The Electoral Commission said in a statement: ďWe are aware that a very small number of voters may have been incorrectly informed that the postal service in a handful of locations in Europe cannot accept IBRS items."
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Belgiumís postal service has also assured British citizens that the envelopes would be forwarded."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...d-lost-germany
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The Independent's latest poll - Leave 10 points ahead.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7075131.html
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Old 11.06.2016, 16:41
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The Independent's latest poll - Leave 10 points ahead.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7075131.html
Not really surprising with a few more respected names speaking for them: Digby Jones, Sir James Dyson and Lord Bamford, chairman of JCB
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"Internet poll" lol

Those 500,000 people who rushed to register in the last few days...anyone care to guess what they'll be voting? Leavers have all signed up ages ago and never stopped spamming everyone.

These are another half a million young people who are in their majority voting Remain. A little scaremongering with some fake polls to frighten the undecided, an extension to the deadline to let them register and get them interested and voila.

Everyone said from the beginning the Remain's biggest enemy is apathy, getting their voters to go down the booth. With the polls circulating now and the events of the last few days I think they got what they wanted. Brilliant move Dave.
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Who?

https://www.facebook.com/euukfacts20...267995/?type=3

I know it's about 'what' and not 'who' - but ... pretty convincing to me.
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Long... but brilliant:

35 Reasons to Vote #Leave

Some people think itís completely irrational to want to leave the EU. So, to avoid looking like youíre ignorant or incapable of understanding the issues, hereís a handy list of 35 excuses you can give for your position.You donít have to believe them all, just use whichever you feel comfortable with.

1.Contrary to the expert conclusions of every economic authority of note (OECD, World Bank, Bank of England, IFS, etc, etc, etc), Brexit will not be damaging to the British economy.
2.Experts donít always get it right. In fact, because I can think of one example of an expert getting something wrong, Iím going to assume theyíre all wrong on the economic consequences of leaving the EU.
3.I think English literature graduate Michael Gove has a better insight into global economics than the above experts and, in fact, Brexit will magically solve any and all problems in the British economy.
4.I believe that there arenít enough jobs to go round for EU immigrants, despite the fact that more workers create a larger economy, creating more jobs as well as a higher tax take.
5.I believe foreign workers who fill jobs where there are skills shortages like nursing, construction and, erm, premiership football are adding nothing to society.
6.I believe leaving the EU will remove any moral obligation from the UK to support and welcome desperate people fleeing war and peril in the most troubled areas of the world as this country did before and during WWII.
7.I believe leaving the EU will make refugees who have already risked everything to get here decide not to bother after all.
8.I believe China (market size 1.2Bn) will offer just as good trading terms or better to the UK (market size 57Mn) as it does to the EU (market size 500Mn).
9.I believe the angle of curve of my bananas is something that the EU genuinely legislates on and that this is sufficiently important to me that I am willing to suffer economic hardship in order to protect the right to have access to the bent/straight bananas that I prefer.
10.I believe the Social Chapter is an affront to my right to oppress others and of those who would seek to oppress me.
11.I believe this country would wake up the day after leaving the EU and would suddenly find itself bathed in a glorious light of sovereignty, whatever that means. I donít believe that in practice sovereignty is actually a pretty vague idea that actually can only be negotiated in relation to the wider world as part of international community and that no country gets to do exactly what it likes. Except perhaps North Korea. Yeah. I want to live in North Korea. They got sovereignty.
12.I believe that, contrary to intelligence experts, the UK would be safer from terrorists without pooling intelligence with other European countries, even though most of the 7/7 bombers were born and raised in, erm, the UK.
13.I believe we could pool intelligence with other European countries from outside the EU and they would be just as happy to share with us as they are now, but somehow, even though I believe the situation would be the same, thatís still a reason to leave the EU.
14.I believe I am better represented by the first-past-the-post elected parliamentarians in Westminster than the proportionally representative elected parliamentarians in Brussels and itís got to be one or the other, rather than both.
15.I believe the supremacy of European Court of Human Rights (even though it isnít actually an EU body) diminishes sovereignty in the UK and therefore somehow is less just even though, erm, I canít think of any occasions when it has overruled British legislation except, oh yes, that thing about prisoners getting the vote, but, well, I suppose actually that might be quite just anyway, but still...
16.I believe the EU is all a Franco-German conspiracy and the best way of defeating it is to, erm, allow the Germans and French to get on with it.
17.I believe the EU is run by a bunch of faceless pen-pushing bureaucrats, completely unlike our own fine British civil service which has just exactly as much red tape as is necessary to ensure accountability and to counter corruption, and not a scrap more.
18.I donít actually know whether Brussels government is any worse than UK government, but no oneís asking me about leaving the UK, but they have given me a chance to whinge that not everything is perfect in the world, so Iím taking it.
19.I donít find Leaveís figure of £350Mn in payments to the EU a week remotely ridiculous, even though it takes no account of either the rebate or payments to the UK.
20.I believe that instead of spending £350Mn a week to the EU, if we left, we really would be able to spend it on the NHS Ďcause thatís really how economics does work. No, it is.
21.I believe Britainís exit from the EU will bring the whole edifice tumbling down and I donít like anyone else forming an international collaboration if weíre not part of it, even though, erm, I donít want to be part of it.
22.I believe holidaying in Europe will be just as easy and no more expensive because they should be happy to have our fine British pounds, even though after Brexit they might be worth a lot less.
23.I believe that the imports from Europe that of course I will still be able to buy just as easily and just as cheaply will be just as safe and my consumer rights will be protected just as well, even though these are safeguards that are protected by EU legislation.
24.Iíd like to be able to rip off music and videos, like they do in China and Russia, because they donít have those pesky EU intellectual property controls which stop me stealing from artists whose work I like.
25.I believe people traffickers who operate outside the law anyway will be just as easy to track without transnational agreements and information sharing.
26.I believe an isolated UK will have more influence on a global stage because, well, we used to have an Empire you know. Just like, erm, Egypt, Mongolia and the Aztecs.
27.Iím a Scottish nationalist who wants to stay in Europe, but I hate those Sassenach Tories and this is probably my best way to get another chance to break up the United Kingdom.
28.Iím an Irish republican who wants Northern Ireland to be reunited with Eire and, erm, Iím not quite sure how thatís going to happen by leaving the EU, but if that Scottish guy thinks itíll stuff the English, then Iím for it too.
29.I donít mind my taxes supporting scroungers hundreds of miles away and with whom I have no connection so long as theyíre this side of any sea, but I donít want them supporting no foreign scroungers whose need might be even greater. After all, I do my bit by giving a fiver to Pudsy most years.
30.I just want to shove it to Cameron and Osborne.
31.Michael Gove is my anti-Establishment icon.
32.I donít really want to leave the EU, but I want Boris as our next prime minister because heís got silly hair and says wacky things - a bit like that awfully funny chap theyíve got in the US at the moment, whoís also ever-so keen on Brexit.
33.I liked it back in the olden days when frogs were frogs and Krauts were krauts.
34.I believe whatever the Daily Mail and Daily Express tell me to.
35.I genuinely feel no cultural connection to Abba, Archimedes, Aristotle, Bach, Beethoven, Brie, Cervantes, Chanel, Cicero, Croissant, Da Vinci, Einstein, Euclid, Goethe, the Grimms, Homer, Ibsen, Joyce, Leibniz, Michelangelo, Mozart, Pasta, Plato, Pythagoras, Rousseau, Schiller, Socrates, Tapas, Truffaut, Virgil, Zola or whatever, but on the other hand, Iíve got Morris dancing, Robert Burns, bara lafwr and the Orangemen in my veins.Ē
On the other hand, if every one of these reasons seems utterly, Trump-lovingly deluded, stop being a bloody idiot and vote #remain.

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If the EU is so brilliant, why don't you start a petition to force a referendum in Switzerland?
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If the EU is so brilliant, why don't you start a petition to force a referendum in Switzerland?
DON'T plant ideas!
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If the EU is so brilliant, why don't you start a petition to force a referendum in Switzerland?
No good counter arguments then
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Sterling could fall by 30% and the stock market by 20% if the UK should leave the European Union, according to a stark assessment from an award-winning team of independent economic analysts.

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EU referendum: Poll reveals massive swing to Brexit Ė with just 12 days to go.

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No good counter arguments then
What's good for the goose...
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Sterling could fall by 30% and the stock market by 20% if the UK should leave the European Union, according to a stark assessment from an award-winning team of independent economic analysts.

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EU referendum: Poll reveals massive swing to Brexit – with just 12 days to go.

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I suspect the stock market will rise if the £ falls as a huge proportion of the FTSE100 is foreign earnings. Rather like the Swiss market collapse when they dropped the peg to the Euro.
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Sterling could fall by 30% and the stock market by 20% if the UK should leave the European Union, according to a stark assessment from an award-winning team of independent economic analysts.

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EU referendum: Poll reveals massive swing to Brexit Ė with just 12 days to go.

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Brexit could be good for economy says leading fund manager http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...onomics-report
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Brexit could be good for economy says leading fund manager http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...onomics-report
Brett will be great for the UK economy...... There £ will drop & a boom will start based on a low cost economy. Stock market will soar over the next 5 years.
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Long... but brilliant:

1.Contrary to the expert conclusions of every economic authority of note (OECD, World Bank, Bank of England, IFS, etc, etc, etc), Brexit will not be damaging to the British economy.
Sorry, your "brilliant" list was too boring to wade through but I did get to the end of the above, at least.

Ask yourself whether or not it is in the self-interest of these unelected "experts" to urge people to preserve the status quo.

And remind us all that these were among the same "experts" who were in favour of the exchange rate mechanism and fiscal union, and urged the UK to join the single currency and the Eurozone. How did that one turn out?

The problem is that these organisations recruit only those who toe the party line. They may well employ well-educated and extremely media savvy people, but even these qualities don't allow them to see into the future. The UK Chancellor, George Osborne, spends the first half of every quarterly budget statement awkwardly explaining why the forecasts made 3 months earlier have turned out to be wrong. And yet he seems happy to continue to base his policy on the advice proffered by these same "experts", and confidently predict how Brexit will cost UK households precisely £4,300 by the time we reach the mid 2030s!

Look, if the "OECD, World Bank, Bank of England, IFS, etc, etc, etc" are urging us to do something, history vividly shows that we should be running like hell in the opposite direction.
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