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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Scaremongering, yet again. I see Kenny is visiting UK to put pressure on all the UK Irish to support the remain campaign.
Please don't take this as me being rude. It really isn't meant to be. This part of the debate is weeks old and it has been generally accepted that there would be repercussions for Ireland as a whole, and it's generally seen as a backward step in the peace process.

I'm a bit surprised to see it getting rehashed so late in the day and to see people denying the range of imapcts possible. This is why the Irish government has spent years preparing for both scenarios.

This is a million miles from scaremongering. It's long been in the government strategy and planning stage, and quite simply, is a matter of fact.
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Old 14.06.2016, 01:30
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What has the European Convention on Human Rights ever done for us (p.s. watch til the end)

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What has the European Convention on Human Rights ever done for us (p.s. watch til the end)

But this European Convention on Human Rights has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit and has no connection

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Hahaha couldn't stop laughing!! Those EU fascists! hhahaha
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Old 14.06.2016, 02:08
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What has the European Convention on Human Rights ever done for us (p.s. watch til the end)
The issue is not with the ECHR, which as the video itself admits, got a large input from UK human rights laws, but rather the problem of the European Court of Human Rights. Probably a dry topic for most people, but for those interested, see:

http://www.solicitorsjournal.com/new...urt-human-righ

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http://www.brandeis.edu/ethics/pdfs/...3/hoffmann.pdf
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And again... ECHR is not an EU body, therefore, it is of no relevance to this thread.
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Just when you thought the Brexit threats couldn't get any more ridiculous...

Donald Tusk: Brexit could destroy WESTERN POLITICAL CIVILIZATION!!!
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Not everyone agrees. "First Minister Arlene Foster dismissed warnings from Dublin that border and customs checks with the Republic were inevitable should Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK leave the EU. Reference to close Sweden-Norway ties despite EU border dividing them and officials say ties have remained strong because of unique cross-border agreements."
Seems to be very carefully worded. Border AND customs checks are not inevitable and the UK and the Republic will be free to determine their own border people controls as neither is in Schengen. Customs checks are however unavoidable.

Would be like going between Switzerland and the EU in fact.

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Good article this morning but it has one drawback, it's by the Mail. It's about the expenses claimed by eu staff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ses-perks.html

Now normally unquotable no one takes the mail seriously, but in this instance what it's highlighting the remain campaign should be doing something about, or commenting, or reassuring or something. It's highlighting a known fact, that Brussels MEP's take lavish perks and this will tap into a seam of anger for many many of the UK population who are poor, causing them to harden their stance. It's alright giving complex arguments about net benefits to the economy and overall numbers and treaties, but to the man in the working class street who struggles to make ends meet each week you look at this and it would really get your blood boiling. It's amazing that they don't show at least some self restraint at s time when there is such hardship in so many parts of the region they are supposed to be governing.
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Good article this morning but it has one drawback, it's by the Mail. It's about the expenses claimed by eu staff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ses-perks.html

Now normally unquotable no one takes the mail seriously, but in this instance what it's highlighting the remain campaign should be doing something about, or commenting, or reassuring or something. It's highlighting a known fact, that Brussels MEP's take lavish perks and this will tap into a seam of anger for many many of the UK population who are poor, causing them to harden their stance. It's alright giving complex arguments about net benefits to the economy and overall numbers and treaties, but to the man in the working class street who struggles to make ends meet each week you look at this and it would really get your blood boiling. It's amazing that they don't show at least some self restraint at s time when there is such hardship in so many parts of the region they are supposed to be governing.
Awful. But where from did the DM get their figures? I would be surprised if they were published in so much detail anywhere on EC website...
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Old 14.06.2016, 10:31
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Just when you thought the Brexit threats couldn't get any more ridiculous...

Donald Tusk: Brexit could destroy WESTERN POLITICAL CIVILIZATION!!!
Strange he didn't mention swarms of locusts, floods, cholera, or death of the firstborn.
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Strange he didn't mention swarms of locusts, floods, cholera, or death of the firstborn.
Of course he could have avoided the end of Western political civilization if he'd have taken the renegotiation seriously in the first place.
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And again... ECHR is not an EU body, therefore, it is of no relevance to this thread.
some facts about the about the european convention on human rights:

- Adhering to ECHR is a requirement of joining the EU (Copenhagen criteria)
- The EU itself refused to accede to the ECHR as it would give an external body the power to review the application of EU law!
- Therefore, the EU can bring in mandatory EU laws that when applied, can cause member states to be in violation of ECHR
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as I heard from radio today, the last status is like;

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Awful. But where from did the DM get their figures? I would be surprised if they were published in so much detail anywhere on EC website...
in fact they are, but are hidden deeply away so to look innocent - as it says in the links below, luxury cruises are listed under "environment" for example!

Here's the main page from the source and further down you can find links to the evidence from which the article is coming:

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/...ials_uncovered
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- The EU itself refused to accede to the ECHR as it would give an external body the power to review the application of EU law!
At best highly misleading. The EU Commission are trying to accede and this is directed by the Lisbon Treaty (for both the EU and member countries) but the Court of Justice rejected the draft treaty of accession as incompatable with EU law. The question is being worked on and will return.

The UK Conservatives are naturally doing everything they can to block and delay the process

http://www.euractiv.com/section/just...ssion-to-echr/
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some facts about the about the european convention on human rights:

- Adhering to ECHR is a requirement of joining the EU (Copenhagen criteria)
- The EU itself refused to accede to the ECHR as it would give an external body the power to review the application of EU law!
- Therefore, the EU can bring in mandatory EU laws that when applied, can cause member states to be in violation of ECHR
These comments are just random waffle!

ECHR is not an EU body and has no connection to Brexit so is off topic.

There are many cases involving non EU countries, for example, this month Turkey.
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At best highly misleading. The EU Commission are trying to accede and this is directed by the Lisbon Treaty (for both the EU and member countries) but the Court of Justice rejected the draft treaty of accession as incompatable with EU law. The question is being worked on and will return.

The UK Conservatives are naturally doing everything they can to block and delay the process

http://www.euractiv.com/section/just...ssion-to-echr/
"The UK Conservatives are naturally doing everything they can to block and delay the process" But many people here claim UK has no influence in the EU
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At best highly misleading. The EU Commission are trying to accede and this is directed by the Lisbon Treaty (for both the EU and member countries) but the Court of Justice rejected the draft treaty of accession as incompatable with EU law. The question is being worked on and will return.

The UK Conservatives are naturally doing everything they can to block and delay the process

http://www.euractiv.com/section/just...ssion-to-echr/
Your link basically confirmed what I said.
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ECHR is not an EU body, therefore, it is of no relevance to this thread.
This is logically false.
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