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I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 22.06.2016, 09:44
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Yes, there were a couple of moans about unelected governing officials sitting in Brussels. But the British population seem to forget the unelected governing officials sitting in the House of Lords, and there are more lords than EU officials!
That's not even a counter argument. There's no referendum to remove the House of Lords, if there was then I'd vote to remove them. There isn't, however there is a vote to remove one more level of unnecessary government.

Anyhow, there was nothing new last night that hasn't been discussed to death in that last few months. I got bored after 15 mins and watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones instead.
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Old 22.06.2016, 09:55
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Sadiq has been amazing, and Boris has not answered a single question- surprise.
Sadiq was hopeless, like a little yapping dog, and he kept repeating himself constantly without adding much of any substance.

Regardless of factual accuracy (Sadiq's economy answerrs, lol), the Leave side did a 10x better job of appearing charismatic and level-headed, unlike that screeching harpy on the Remain side, Frances O'Grady. Ruth Davidson was ok though.

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Yes, there were a couple of moans about unelected governing officials sitting in Brussels. But the British population seem to forget the unelected governing officials sitting in the House of Lords, and there are more lords than EU officials!
The main difference being, they are British.
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Old 22.06.2016, 09:58
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Re: Anyone watching the Great Debate on BBC

It is obvious to me Loz you have made your mind up and have your head stuck firmly in the sand, just be careful now that your backside is exposed.

There was a new point made by the Lib-Dem member, about the new Eastern European countries in the EU.

But you weren't interested enough to hear other people's views, so you switched off. Not worth debating with you is it? Just keep on shouting "£350 million a week" maybe someone somewhere will believe you.
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:11
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Ruth Davidson MSP and Sadiq Khan took Boris down and proved his outbursts were lies. Wonderful TV. It came late in the day, but at least now the Remain camp have the satisfaction of a clear intelligent and factual win.

The Leave people were again just spouting slogans that appeal to the masses, shame on them! The Conservative woman claimed that 80% of new GB laws come from the EU: when told the House of Commons library reported there was 12% in 2015 and this year just 4 new bills from the EU she remained silent. How can people lie like that on national TV? Disgusting!
Ruth Davidson was a nause just like the Scottish trade union reps of old,(yes I know shes Tory) waving her fists and banging the lectern.

She unfortunately confused "laws" for "regulations"
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:16
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It is obvious to me Loz you have made your mind up and have your head stuck firmly in the sand, just be careful now that your backside is exposed.

There was a new point made by the Lib-Dem member, about the new Eastern European countries in the EU.

But you weren't interested enough to hear other people's views, so you switched off. Not worth debating with you is it? Just keep on shouting "£350 million a week" maybe someone somewhere will believe you.
I made up my mind on the EU long before this referendum was announced. And I voted weeks ago, so what was the point in watching? It's become boring, and both sides have looked increasing more ridiculous and desperate.
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:17
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Yes, there were a couple of moans about unelected governing officials sitting in Brussels. But the British population seem to forget the unelected governing officials sitting in the House of Lords, and there are more lords than EU officials!
They can go too, next referendum

"Should we have a bunch of unelected scum collecting taxpayers money based on their donations to previous governments?"

Vote execute in parliament square.

But before that I'd like to see direct democracy in the UK..
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:19
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Ruth Davidson was a nause just like the Scottish trade union reps of old,(yes I know shes Tory) waving her fists and banging the lectern.

She unfortunately confused "laws" for "regulations"
I rate her. I may not agree with her on this, but she's a good speaker and is one of the few politicians that seems to stick to her convictions.
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:36
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Re: Anyone watching the Great Debate on BBC

Didn't see it. I'm a bit surprised the leave campaign didn't just abandon the £350m figure though, and go with the accurate £190m a week, which is still massive!
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:41
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Both sides lied profusely. It was no different to the whole campaign. I felt annoyed at the end of it, which is a fitting summary of the whole thing.
Did they- where- please give examples as requested pray tell. Boris didn't answer a single question and just came up with the slogan 'independence' day' and go a standing ovation for it - the most worrying thing. Populist ****

Seems to me if BREXIT you support goes through- you should really go back- perhaps (there I've said it)
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:42
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This guy is an investor and cares more about his money than what happens to UK or Brits.

He made billions betting against UK on the Exchange Rate Mechanism and you'd be naive thinking he has best interest at heart for UK or Brits.

When business and investors support remain, they are actually supporting their financial positions and not what happens to UK or Brits.
" their financial positions and not what happens to UK or Brits" You think what is good for the economy and what is good for the UK and Brits are two different things
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Old 22.06.2016, 10:46
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I rate her. I may not agree with her on this, but she's a good speaker and is one of the few politicians that seems to stick to her convictions.
I just spent my time wanting to slap her every time she opened her mouth, this aggressive Scottish woman in my face constantly.

The leave guys were wet lettuces apart from bumbling Boris. Hardly an advertisement for a group of people with run the country.

If I'm honest I felt the whole thing was staged, wooden and no one gave clear answers, because the truth is no one knows either position what will happen.


Disclaimer I love Scots and generally Tories are okay but a bit misguided at times. Still lets love each other and make daisy chains.
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Old 22.06.2016, 11:33
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Re: Anyone watching the Great Debate on BBC

I thought the whole referendum debate has been appalling...I voted by post whilst back in the UK a couple weeks ago.....my mind was made up years ago regarding the EU.
The 'Great Debate' was nothing more than soundbites...but whatever the result will be, it's the choice of the British people and it's called democracy.
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Old 22.06.2016, 11:40
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Seems to me if BREXIT you support goes through- you should really go back- perhaps (there I've said it)


You are suggesting that if Britain leaves the EU, he should go from a country not in the EU, back to another country not in the EU, because he doesn't support the EU?


Eh?
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Old 22.06.2016, 11:56
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The 'Great Debate' was nothing more than soundbites...but whatever the result will be, it's the choice of the British people and it's called democracy.
Politicians can actually veto the result. Whichever way it goes they still have the final word.
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Old 22.06.2016, 12:05
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Re: Anyone watching the Great Debate on BBC

I listened to an excellent debate between two veteran hard hitters on the drive home last night (Farage v Heseltine).
I have to say I do admire Farage's passion and conviction, without which this entire referendum would not have happened. Even Boris is starting to flounder and looks a lot less convincing than when he started, but on balance Hezza's arguments won it for me in the end. Basically 'its far from perfect but its a lot better than the unknown'

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Old 22.06.2016, 12:07
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Politicians can actually veto the result. Whichever way it goes they still have the final word.
No referendum result is legally binding, despite what brexiters say about getting back control, Parliament is and will be the only Sovereign lawmaking body in the UK.
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Re: Anyone watching the Great Debate on BBC

The whole campaign from both sides has been ridiculous.

Nothing but fear and suggestion, along with many elites weighing in with their opinions, which is always to stay in.

I don't see why coverage should be given to the opinions of David Beckham, or George Soros (who, ironically, profits hugely from financial chaos).

The Leave campaign seems to pin its hopes on personality of the main spokespeople, which for people who split opinion like Boris and Farage is a huge risk.

Farage is one of the finest orators of our age, his political views make him a terrible waste of his skills.
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Old 22.06.2016, 12:15
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You are suggesting that if Britain leaves the EU, he should go from a country not in the EU, back to another country not in the EU, because he doesn't support the EU?


Eh?
As Switzerland is a part of the single market and a good proportion of the Brits here own their presence to the freedom of movement that that brings with it - yes.

Exceptions for those that came before the bilaterals or who would get in on third country rules.
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Politicians can actually veto the result. Whichever way it goes they still have the final word.
For any government or leader to ignore the results would be political suicide....its not going to happen, the result will be accepted by parliament...they might try delaying tactics but it will be accepted...if for instance the Leave camp win and Cameron try's not to accept it a vote of no confidence is likely to be called against him and the possible dissolution of parliament followed by a rapid general election.
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Re: Anyone watching the Great Debate on BBC

I hope Britain stays in, I just know that the patriotic rhetoric being bandied about will probably sway an ignorant population into making a great big mistake. Britain won't get good trade deals, won't have any say in Europe and it won't make the blindest bit of difference to immigration! The leavers are using this as platform to boost their careers (Bozza) or they have some other vested interest in being out. My question is, why now? we could have called a referendum later on if we really were worried about the implications of being in, such as the Turkey issue, but at the moment we still profit from our membership in economic growth, even if it's slowed, it's still considerable and we will lose a huge amount of our gdp if we are forced into renegotiation. I personally appreciate the freedom of movement I have throughout Europe, I don't want to be penalized for my British citizenship! I say In without a doubt. Every economic expert in the world and pretty much every leader of a politically allied country in the world recommend that we stay in. The outers consist of Johnson, Gove and David f'ing Icke, an intellectual bunch if there was ever one...
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