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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:22
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wtf is Donald Trump doing in Scottland?!
He is trying to make sure the Scots don't steal the building materials from his golf courses while they are rebuilding Hadrian's wall.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:22
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Labour generally behaved completely indifferent during the whole campaign. Corbyn is starting to take some flack for that this morning.
I wasn't clear, I didn't mean the Bremain campaign more their policy of arrogance and indifference towards their voting base which allowed UKIP into their constituency.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:23
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Care to explain why?
Nope....work it out or see Loz1983's response above.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:23
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What if you agree to the free movement of people but object being a member state of a federal EU? You can have one without the other, as Switzerland has proven.
You didn't actually follow the exit campaign, did you? I think they might have mentioned immigration, free movement and quotas once or twice.

For Switzerland this is part of the price of belonging to the single market. The Brexiters have made it quite clear they don't want any part of that if free movement is the price.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:27
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It's a bit like changing the speed limit on a road and then prosecuting everyone who drove over that limit in the proceeding 25 years.
No, otherwise we would need a time machine to stop you all coming here 25 years ago.

But maybe future permit renewals should be evaluated on a quota basis
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:28
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Can I just say that the Brexit vote just saved me about SFr 1000.- on my trip to NZ next year?
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:29
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But according to democratic principles, all Brits that entered CH under EU free movement provisions should leave, as it is the voice of the majority that counts. If not, they have lost the moral right to be a democrat.
That makes no sense. A vote in 2016 doesn't make everything in the past 15+ years (or really ever) irrelevant.

By that logic, for example every Australian born before some time in the 1980s who received Australian citizenship by birth would have had to give up his/her passport as that law has since been changed and jus soli has been abolished. That would be a ridiculous thing to ask for.

Every Brit who came here when GB was part of the EU had a right to do so. They are not obliged to leave and shouldn't be (and I'm sure won't be).
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:30
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

Finally some F%&king sense from Guy Verhofstadt of all people:

"No vote against Europe, but against EU as it is. Need reforms, no business as usual"

Only now he acknowledges this.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:31
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wtf is Donald Trump doing in Scottland?!
Golf? Deep fried Mars Bars? Some sort of political shaggery chicanery no doubt.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:31
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For Switzerland this is part of the price of belonging to the single market.
Which the Swiss rejected two years ago.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:31
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But according to democratic principles, all Brits that entered CH under EU free movement provisions should leave, as it is the voice of the majority that counts. If not, they have lost the moral right to be a democrat.
I really wonder what the impact is on the Bilateral Agremment on the free movement of people between Switzerland and the European Union, the Kingdom of Belgium, the Republic Bulgaria, ...., the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...42.112.681.pdf

As you can see it is not simply between the EU on one side and Switzerland, but UK is an distinct contract partner.

Does it mean UK and Swiss citizen have still free movement in the others territory?

Or does it mean the EU will/must cancle the agreement, and thanks to the so called Guilltine clause all other agreements?

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Old 24.06.2016, 11:32
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So what do you think about Cameron stepping down?

Is that the right thing?

Is he effectively handing over to Boris?
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:35
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Re: The Brexit referendum thread: potential consequences for GB, EU and the Brits in

One of the things that American papers like The Washington Post say could happen as a result of this vote is that pro-EU Scotland could have another independence referendum in a couple of years only this time the Scottish nationalists might win over this issue.

I hope the Brexiters are happy with the result. Have they ever heard about Humpty Dumpty?
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So what do you think about Cameron stepping down?

Is that the right thing?

Is he effectively handing over to Boris?
he really is a fvucking idiot, not only did he lose a slam dunk referendum but he is going to destabilize the economy and £ even more
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One of the things that American papers like The Washington Post say could happen as a result of this vote is that pro-EU Scotland could have another independence referendum in a couple of years only this time the Scottish nationalists might win over this issue.
Wow, that really IS news.
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I got yours -- not too sure that Noth did, though. And we still don't know what "the MEI" is (or what it has to do with Brexit).


Zackly. 12 out of 10 EFers don't even know what a ratio is.
Haha, I saw what you did there.. but who is Zackly?

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Some data:

Wales: Leave
England: Leave
Scotland: Remain
Northern Ireland: Remain

HOW AGES VOTED
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain

HOW PARTIES VOTED
Tory 43 Remain, 57 Leave
Labour 69 Remain, 31 Leave
Libs 73 Remain, 27 Leave
Ukip: 7 Remain, 93 Leave

Source: https://twitter.com/benrileysmith
WTF? How can 7% of UKIP have voted remain??
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Lots of people booing Boris outside his home... the reporters can't get close.
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Old 24.06.2016, 11:44
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WTF? How can 7% of UKIP have voted remain??
How did 73% of libs manage to influence the result anything?
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What if you agree to the free movement of people but object being a member state of a federal EU? You can have one without the other, as Switzerland has proven.
At least under current EU rules. Maybe this will change.

IMO, the EU should have allowed member states some flexibility to deviate from these rules from time to time to quell the concerns of the UK and an increasing number of other countries. Now they may regret their dogmatic approach.
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