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View Poll Results: What would you personally prefer to happen?
I want the UK to stay in an ever-closer union 49 23.11%
I want the UK to stay in a loosely connected EU 68 32.08%
I want the UK out because the EU is bad for the UK 22 10.38%
I want the UK out because the EU is a bad thing 23 10.85%
I want the UK out because this would be good for the rest of us 17 8.02%
I don't really care 33 15.57%
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:11
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So you think because the EU fails everyone is going to go to war with one another.
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:13
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So Scottish voters knew there was a chance the UK would vote to leave in the future, yet they still decided to remain part of the UK.

To remain fair here: the Scots were threatened that they'd be kicked out of the EU if they voted in favor of quitting the UK. The prospect of a referendum, which still wasn't certain to take place at that time, probably was the lesser of two evils for many voters.
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To remain fair here: the Scots were threatened that they'd be kicked out of the EU if they voted in favor of quitting the UK. The prospect of a referendum, which still wasn't certain to take place at that time, probably was the lesser of two evils for many voters.
You can bet your bottom dollar that Sturgeon is on the phone to everyone that matters in the EU to ensure that if indyref 2 goes to a yes (probably a landslide yes) that Scotland can remain in the EU and not have to leave and reapply.
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BOOM: motion of no confidence has been submitted against Corbyn.
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You can bet your bottom dollar that Sturgeon is on the phone to everyone that matters in the EU to ensure that if indyref 2 goes to a yes (probably a landslide yes) that Scotland can remain in the EU and not have to leave and reapply.


That's pretty much what she said she'd try. Perhaps it wouldn't be that worst thing for England - that way, the EU would get some sort of twisted revenge and they could start negotiations from neutral positions.
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:22
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BOOM: motion of no confidence has been submitted against Corbyn.
It's a political bloodbath
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That's pretty much what she said she'd try. Perhaps it wouldn't be that worst thing for England - that way, the EU would get some sort of twisted revenge and they could start negotiations from neutral positions.
Scotland aren't going to get another referendum any time soon. I suspect they'll already be out of the EU and the terms of re-entry will not be attractive.
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It's a political bloodbath
It's pure opportunism. Whatever you think about Corbyn, he had nothing to do with this. Maybe that was the problem?
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:24
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BOOM: motion of no confidence has been submitted against Corbyn.

live by the sword ...

Was always puzzling why someone who was so out before he became leader suddenly became remain, I guess the old saying is true, power corrupts, he gambled, he lost, he has ZERO credibility
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:25
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BOOM: motion of no confidence has been submitted against Corbyn.
Yep, news here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36621777
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Nicola Sturgeon has already made the announcement re a new referendum for Scottish independence asap- wonder if NI will ask to join.
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:26
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Finally found the reason for the disaster of yesterday:

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

The beeb just interviewed a young couple in Manchester airport. She voted leave, he voted remain. She now says if she were to vote again she would vote remain.... She feels that the politicians misled her and she didn't fully understand the implications.


wtf, she ignored half of 6 months of being bombarded with implications, but now after 6 hours she has seen that she made a mistake.
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:28
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The most cogent statement I've read all week

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Australia has had five prime ministers in five years
Cute soundbite, but factually wrong. Australia has had four PMs in the last 5 years, and only two governments. It's just been change at the top, which given the Westminster system of government, has nothing to do with voter dissatisfaction: the PM is not directly elected. If you're looking for a stable economy, Australia's your poster child.
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That's pretty much what she said she'd try. Perhaps it wouldn't be that worst thing for England - that way, the EU would get some sort of twisted revenge and they could start negotiations from neutral positions.


Scotland is too weak to be independent in the long run, and that's a fact. Look at how oil prices have plummeted and Scotland is not Saudi Arabia. Scottish economy would not be competitive in the EU. Second, Scotland would be forced to accept Euro as a currency as it wouldn't be able to continue using the Pound. Euro would weaken the country even more.

Northern Ireland as well would be worse off the UK if they decide to join Republic of Ireland. Irish economy is very volatile and would deteriorate further due to the EU and Eurozone instability.
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:30
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horse, bolted, stable door.

Either he conducted the campaign correctly, in which case it is a shared defeat, or he conducted it wrongly, in which case they should have removed him while it could still have made a difference.

Or is he just being made into the scapegoat?
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:31
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Nicola Sturgeon has already made the announcement re a new referendum for Scottish independence asap- wonder if NI will ask to join.
don't you mean leave?

or should they be joining Scotland?
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She voted leave, he voted remain. She now says if she were to vote again she would vote remain....
Yes, but there must also be people who voted remain out of fear for the unknown and are happily exited that the others were more courageous to make the jump. With 4 points difference in a referendum, the majority is clear. I don't like it but I like the clarity of the situation.
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Old 24.06.2016, 14:33
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So you think because the EU fails everyone is going to go to war with one another.
If you look closely you'll see it's only plague and famine who are celebrating - the other two voted for independence from The Four and are about to ride off to new careers as pin-ups for the UKIP.
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Reminds me of Erich Honnecker back in 1988 predicting the wall was to stay for another 40 years.
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Or is he just being made into the scapegoat?
Well he's always had a somewhat goat-y air about him, now that you mention it.
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