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If Trump is elected, the biggest tide of immigration will probably be from the U.S. to Canada. In anticipation of this, I support this campaign...

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Two countries I would't particularly choose to live to be fair (to visit yes, any time, even for extended periods).
It has nothing to do with Trump and the likes, I know people who have "made it" and are living the American dream (maybe because they are highly educated and white) it's just the fact that the grass doesn't seem greener over there. (not that Europe is any better)
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Two countries I would't particularly choose to live to be fair (to visit yes, any time, even for extended periods).
It has nothing to do with Trump and the likes, I know people who have "made it" and are living the American dream (maybe because they are highly educated and white) it's just the fact that the grass doesn't seem greener over there. (not that Europe is any better)
I have no illusions that in some respects life is tougher in the USA, but there is something about it that I find very attractive, even if it is something I find very difficult to formulate and explain. It's something about the general atmosphere and way things happen. This is not going to go away, no matter who wins the election. It's too deeply rooted for that. America will never become a bad copy of Europe. I am aware that if I live there permenently that feel good vacation flavour will eventually wear off and the grindstone side will remain. But I think if I was offered an interesting position and interesting conditions, I would certainly consider it.

On the other hand, if I had the choice between being poor and without opportunity in America and poor and without opportunity in Europe I'd stick with Europe. Although something tells me the years of (relative) comfort are coming to an end here too, so maybe it will soon be time to reconsider this statement.
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I have no illusions that in some respects life is tougher in the USA, but there is something about it that I find very attractive, even if it is something I find very difficult to formulate and explain. It's something about the general atmosphere and way things happen. This is not going to go away, no matter who wins the election. It's too deeply rooted for that. America will never become a bad copy of Europe. I am aware that if I live there permenently that feel good vacation flavour will eventually wear off and the grindstone side will remain. But I think if I was offered an interesting position and interesting conditions, I would certainly consider it.

On the other hand, if I had the choice between being poor and without opportunity in America and poor and without opportunity in Europe I'd stick with Europe. Although something tells me the years of (relative) comfort are coming to an end here too, so maybe it will soon be time to reconsider this statement.
All of the above and some more: if you have or want to have children consider the education system and how much tertiary education costs. Also, if your parents are getting really old, or you have nephews&nieces you want to know while growing up and have a connection with....nah, it's too far away. We actually had this opportunity but could't find good reasons to move there. That might change in the future, who knows.
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Old 31.03.2016, 12:56
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All of the above and some more: if you have or want to have children consider the education system and how much tertiary education costs. Also, if your parents are getting really old, or you have nephews&nieces you want to know while growing up and have a connection with....nah, it's too far away. We actually had this opportunity but could't find good reasons to move there. That might change in the future, who knows.
My children are already beyond that phase (oooh, this makes me sound older than I really am), so those costs are no longer an issue.

But I agree about the parents and family thing. But having said that even living in Switzerland I don't go to the UK to see my family nearlly half as much as I could. And maybe living in the USA, they might actually come and see me rather than expecting me to come and see them all the time (none of my neices are especially interested in mountains or skiing unfortunately). My father is also a bit of a US buff but doesn't care much for Switzerland - but is actually mostly too lazy to travel.
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Two countries I would't particularly choose to live to be fair (to visit yes, any time, even for extended periods).
It has nothing to do with Trump and the likes, I know people who have "made it" and are living the American dream (maybe because they are highly educated and white) it's just the fact that the grass doesn't seem greener over there. (not that Europe is any better)
Agreed.

I have family in both the US and Canada, but have no desire to live in either country. I wouldn't want to live outside of Europe.
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Old 31.03.2016, 22:16
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

Seems Greece plans to start shipping refugees back to Turkey on Monday! The actual work has been outsourced to Frontex, the EU border agency, must be costing a fortune.

Probably would be cheaper to hire the smugglers.
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

Too many rumours floating around to give all the sources
  • the most senior Greek asylum official, Maria Stavropoulou, called for a 20-fold increase in personnel
  • Amnesty International (and other agencies)alleged that unaccompanied children were among the Syrians illegally expelled from Turkey since January.
  • UN refugee agency again called for a halt to the deal unless Turkey could guarantee refugees’ basic rights.
  • Deportations in the immediate future will be limited to those who have agreed voluntarily to return to Turkey.
  • UN refugee agency reported that a boat carrying refugees had reached southern Italy
  • Deportations will be carried out under heavy security escort - with one police minder for every migrant

If only a fraction of the above is true it is a real mess
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

Ηello,
I'm from Greece and almost every day I'm reading the news about refugees and migrants in Greece. We have to deal with a very difficult situation. The main problem in Greece is not about those people about money. Greece has not money to live Greek people and trying to help others. I've seen many refugees and there are a lot of kids. In order to help them, what could be the best solution?
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Old 02.04.2016, 01:40
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Ηello,
I'm from Greece and almost every day I'm reading the news about refugees and migrants in Greece. We have to deal with a very difficult situation. The main problem in Greece is not about those people about money. Greece has not money to live Greek people and trying to help others. I've seen many refugees and there are a lot of kids. In order to help them, what could be the best solution?
The EU must give Greece a big chunk of money to cope.

Greece is facing enormous costs with no financial reserves.
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Old 02.04.2016, 11:12
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

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The rapid rate of arrivals in the once-welcoming nation (Germany) has forced a backlog of 770,000 asylum requests. About half of them, authorities say, will be rejected.
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the challenge the country faces today is unprecedented. Chancellor Angela Merkel’s open-door stance for those fleeing war in the Middle East turned it into a magnet.
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Since Merkel’s famous welcome speech last year, nationals from a dizzying number of countries have crossed German borders, with many destroying their passports to make it harder to send them back.
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In the months to come, we will have a few hundred thousand people who are supposed to leave the country
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“I wanted a new life, but they are making it so difficult for me here,” Baloch said, fighting back tears.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...05f_story.html

Merkel's "wilkommenkultur" caused 1 million people people to flock to Germany in the last year expecting a "better life"...now Germany is saying half of these people will need to leave in the next few months?
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Old 02.04.2016, 13:27
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Ηello,
I'm from Greece and almost every day I'm reading the news about refugees and migrants in Greece. We have to deal with a very difficult situation. The main problem in Greece is not about those people about money. Greece has not money to live Greek people and trying to help others. I've seen many refugees and there are a lot of kids. In order to help them, what could be the best solution?
Stop voting for liars and thieves.
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Greece has not money to live Greek people and trying to help others. I've seen many refugees and there are a lot of kids.
In order to help them, what could be the best solution?
A good start would be getting all the Greek citizens who are living in Gstaad to pay their taxes then Greece probably wouldn't be in debt!
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Old 07.04.2016, 01:00
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

So Greece sent 202 refugees to Turkey last Monday (not 500 as originally announced) and has not yet announced plans to send any more!

Slowly turning from a mess into a farce?
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

There's been a huge fall in the number of migrants reaching Germany. The whole of the EU owes the Balkan countries a massive debt of gratitude. Closing the door on the Balkan route has worked. Remember, this is something that Merkel didn't want.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35999015
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Old 08.04.2016, 19:54
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So Greece sent 202 refugees to Turkey last Monday (not 500 as originally announced) and has not yet announced plans to send any more!

Slowly turning from a mess into a farce?
Seems Greece deported another 45 today. If they continue at this giddy rate they will still be at it when our grandchildren are retiring

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The Guardian claims a total of 124 people were deported today.Source

Meanwhile Erdogan has announced if the EU do not meet all his demands then Turkey will cancel the agreement.
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

Don't forget, the EU agreement with Turkey is to swap illegal migrants already in Greece for genuine refugees living in Turkey. It was unhappy Pakistanis that were sent back to Turkey this morning, so we can expect an equal number of Syrians coming to Greece for processing, and possible integration into an EU country.

Nothing much will change unless the EU gives some stronger leadership, and more food and transport etc, to Greece and Italy.
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Seems Greece deported another 45 today. If they continue at this giddy rate they will still be at it when our grandchildren are retiring

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The Guardian claims a total of 124 people were deported today.Source

Meanwhile Erdogan has announced if the EU do not meet all his demands then Turkey will cancel the agreement.
The sultan Erdogan is in dire need of money: his announced plan of building mosques in around 26 countries is still strong and going ahead. Those intentions brought him accusations of islamism when he was only the mayor of Istanbul, but they are keeping him in power today.
I don't think that the EU tax payer is aware of these movements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_...n#Imprisonment

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In December 1997, Erdoğan recited a poem in Siirt from a work written by Ziya Gökalp, a pan-Turkish activist of the early 20th century.[51] His recitation included verses translated as "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers...."[36] which are not in the original version of the poem. Erdoğan said the poem had been approved by the education ministry to be published in textbooks.[52] Under article 312/2 of the Turkish penal code his recitation was regarded as an incitement to violence and religious or racial hatred.[5] He was given a ten-month prison sentence of which he served four months, from 24 March 1999 to 27 July 1999.[53] Due to his conviction, Erdoğan was forced to give up his mayoral position. The conviction also stipulated a political ban, which prevented him from participating in parliamentary elections.
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Re: EU gives Greece deadline on borders

According to the UN here circa 600 refugees arrived in Greece in the last week and Greece deported ca. 300.

Edit; no new planned deportations have been announced by Greece
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Old 12.04.2016, 14:48
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The sultan Erdogan is in dire need of money: his announced plan of building mosques in around 26 countries is still strong and going ahead.
Those intentions brought him accusations of islamism when he was only the mayor of Istanbul, but they are keeping him in power today.

I don't think that the EU tax payer is aware of these movements.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_...n#Imprisonment
Not only him; it is claimed Saudi and Iran are also competing to build mosques around the globe.
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Not only him; it is claimed Saudi and Iran are also competing to build mosques around the globe.
Oh, he is in a very enlightened company...Ataturk is turning in his grave.
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