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Old 23.03.2016, 08:50
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"no one blowing themselves up at Zurich airport" Let us hope it stays that way.

"You can treat foreigners in the way we are treated here, which works"
Do not forget this is the country that banned building minarets on mosques.
Despite the minaret ban, there is still a very low terror threat here compared to the rest of Europe. Switzerland must be doing something right.
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:14
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I don't know how Belgian immigration differs from French. Can you pass the Belgian naturalization test if you're fluent in Dutch or French but live in the wrong part part of Belgium?
I don't know anything about the French system but Belgian naturalisation is quite easy. They increased the residency requirements from 3 to 5 years in 2013 and changed a couple of other things but generally speaking it's not difficult to acquire and as far as I know there is no official language test. Although there is an interview at the local offices which would be in the local language I think it's possible to request it in one of the other national languages. ( so either French, Flemish or German)
It's really only non EU citizens who apply for it as anyone form the EU is granted permenent residence in Belgium once they have lived there for 5 uninterrupted years in any case.

The largest number of immigrants in both France and Belgium come from North Africa and already speak French in any case so I'm not sure how the language requirement would help . Many of them are second or third generation and were born and have lived all their lives in either France or Belgium.
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:17
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Do not forget this is the country that banned building minarets on mosques.
And?

Perhaps we should have banned mosques then, and not just the minarets!

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Old 23.03.2016, 09:22
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

How can we stop terror if some folks in our society continuously support terrorist organizations

Sydney schoolgirl 'wired cash to IS'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-35878177

Back to the topic ...

Brussels attacks: 'Two brothers' behind airport suicide bombings
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35879141
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:42
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

This was written after Paris, a wonderful piece of satire.


It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic Jihadist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the Jihadists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch:

“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”

“No you didn’t.”

“Wait, what? Yes we did…”

“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”

“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”

“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”

“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”

“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”

“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”

“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”

“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”

“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:44
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

LOL too funny yet very sad.
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:49
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

At present ISIS is poking a tired on left leaning bear with a stick and the bear is accepting it and is blaming themselves for the stick poking.

Next year there will be a new bear in town - and I'm not so convinced he'll be so soft and cuddly:



In his own head this is how he will ride into conflict against ISIS
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:53
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

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1. Let's hope it stays that way. On the other hand, why would anyone want to cut the branch which one's sitting on or a feeding hand? There is hardly anyone living in utter poverty here whereas majority qualify as middle class. Those on poverty line get subsidized by the government which puts them immediately back close to the middle.

2. People get very decent salaries here and some even more than they used to in their countries for same job. Especially those earning +120k are treated very fair but still come back to the EF and complain or else worry that they cannot survive on it.
Huge expats community and secondos that may never be in rank of Herr Meyer and Frau Rottenbach but they still can make a decent living and the worst can happen to them, they won't immediately qualify for the top management position in the local company due to their lineage but they still can make a decent living and enjoy family life.

3. Banned building more minarets and mosques, well majority voted it out. One can compromise on this point by accepting the quality of life offered thru points (1) and (2).
"There is hardly anyone living in utter poverty" True, but there is no clear link between poverty and extremism.
Most of the 9/11 terrorists were relatively wealthy Saudis.
The Abdeslam family (Paris attacks) had a number of business ventures including a cafe and a grocery store so do not sound like "living in utter poverty".

I know the majority voted for the Minaret ban; my point was that this is a topic that an extremist might consider to be grounds for some extreme action.
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:53
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

History shows that "cowboy-way" of solving conflicts in the Middle East's didn't further state of the affairs.
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:55
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LOL too funny yet very sad.
As with most situations, the reality lies somewhere between two extremes.
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"There is hardly anyone living in utter poverty" True, but there is no clear link between poverty and extremism.
Most of the 9/11 terrorists were relatively wealthy Saudis.
The Abdeslam family (Paris attacks) had a number of business ventures including a cafe and a grocery store so do not sound like "living in utter poverty".

I know the majority voted for the Minaret ban; my point was that this is a topic that an extremist might consider to be grounds for some extreme action.
True. People with money run the shows behind the curtains but typical "foot-soldiers" recruits come from another background like the one from Molenbeek. These are easy material to radicalize.
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Old 23.03.2016, 09:58
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

Quote "Belgian police have launched a series of raids in a massive manhunt for a third man, who was pictured with the suicide attackers at the airport but is thought to have escaped following the attacks without detonating his own suitcase bomb."

It is also claimed that Salah Abdeslam did not detonate his own suicide bomb in Paris.

Seems this group is less than 100% committed; lucky for the people who would have been killed or injured otherwise.

Source.
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Old 23.03.2016, 10:05
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Quote "Belgian police have launched a series of raids in a massive manhunt for a third man, who was pictured with the suicide attackers at the airport but is thought to have escaped following the attacks without detonating his own suitcase bomb."

It is also claimed that Salah Abdeslam did not detonate his own suicide bomb in Paris.

Seems this group is less than 100% committed; lucky for the people who would have been killed or injured otherwise.

Source.
Less than 100% committed, that's an odd way of putting it.
Abdeslam threw his explosive belt in a bin and cried for his buddies to come pick him up.
Bob-wearing man did a runner for the same reasons. Didn't have the bo$$ocks to go through with it. You think we should be thanking them ? They go back into hiding, organize more attacks, then bottle out and run away ...
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At present ISIS is poking a tired on left leaning bear with a stick and the bear is accepting it and is blaming themselves for the stick poking.

Next year there will be a new bear in town - and I'm not so convinced he'll be so soft and cuddly:



In his own head this is how he will ride into conflict against ISIS
It makes you thinking about the future of our planet ... Already start cringing on the thought who's gonna trigger the red button first. They wanted to go renewables and fossil once, now the trend will be to go back to nuclear
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Old 23.03.2016, 10:17
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

Looks like homegrown then. The verdict is out.
Brothers Khalid and Brahim (or Ibrahim, unclear) el-Bakraoui. Known to the police.
These were the two that blew themselves up at the airport.
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Old 23.03.2016, 10:30
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It makes you thinking about the future of our planet ... Already start cringing on the thought who's gonna trigger the red button first.
Thats in essence why it is so important to make sure that radical Sunnis never get anything like a red button.
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Looks like homegrown then. The verdict is out.
Brothers Khalid and Brahim (or Ibrahim, unclear) el-Bakraoui. Known to the police.
These were the two that blew themselves up at the airport.


Tell me again how its all the refugees fault.

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Thats in essence why it is so important to make sure that radical Sunnis never get anything like a red button.

They already do. Pakistan is pretty radical in parts. They have plenty.
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Re: Double bombing at Brussels airport

Taxi driver gave address in Schaerbeek, where he had picked up the three men and their bomb-filled suitcases. Looks like things were getting a bit too hot in Molenbeek ...
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Tell me again how its all the refugees fault.
I never once mentioned refugees.
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Taxi driver gave address in Schaerbeek, where he had picked up the three men and their bomb-filled suitcases. Looks like things were getting a bit too hot in Molenbeek ...
They were living in a flat in Schaerbeek, not in Molenbeek.
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