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Old 11.05.2016, 11:06
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Title of this thread is "A crime against humanity" and it looks like the Turks have upped the ante.
Reports are coming in that soldiers on the turkish borders are firing live rounds at refugees.
Read for yourselves
https://www.hrw.org
I wonder if the smug "the-balkan-route-is-closed" captains of Europe like their names ties to the closed balkan route now, I mean what did they expect? That the refugees would simply shrug their shoulders and go home?
Not news! There have been reports of Turks shooting refugees since 2013, source.

One newspaper did publish pictures of Turkey building "Berlin wall" style towers on the border to provide shooting platforms but I cannot find this link now.
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Old 11.05.2016, 14:21
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Not news! There have been reports of Turks shooting refugees since 2013, source.

One newspaper did publish pictures of Turkey building "Berlin wall" style towers on the border to provide shooting platforms but I cannot find this link now.
That´s a little bit jaded from you methinks. Reports fly thick and thin when it gets to Turkish warcrimes, but these are the first (I think) reports from a solid source as it were.
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Old 12.05.2016, 01:21
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Erdogans German "media lawyer" has sued the next guy... the court most likely will dismiss the charges, so the lawyer said in an interview he will recommend his client to move the case one.


http://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/sto...pfner-22916973


It must be a lot of work, but on the other hand is this lawyer (http://www.hoecker.eu/prof.dr.ralf-hoecker.html) earning a fortune on the back of a paranoid client...
A German court has rejected a request by Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan for a preliminary injunction preventing the head of German publisher Axel Springer repeating a derogatory term.

Erdoğan’s lawyer, Ralf Höcker, told Reuters on Tuesday that Erdoğan had sought the injunction after chief executive Mathias Döpfner’s public support for a controversial poem read out by comedian Jan Böhmermann on German television in March.

But the court said in a statement it had rejected it on the basis of “the defendant’s right to free expression of opinion”.

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Old 14.05.2016, 23:59
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Re: A crime against humanity

Böhmermann is back on TV... and obviously did everyone expect him to pick up the Erdogan story where he left it. He, doing what he does best, just made some satirical references and went on to the next killer coup: He managed to set up a fake candidate for a really bad TV dating show and filmed with hidden cams how the RTL crew is screwing over people...

I think his tiny show on some TV channel nobody normally watches is becoming a class of its own.

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Old 22.05.2016, 15:16
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http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04...y-competition/


Recep Erdogan is the Turk’ll,
Never tire of rim-jobs from his circle,
Yet his chief-est delight,
(Now Khilafa’s in sight),
Are the felchings he gets from Frau Merkel.
The competition was won by Boris Johnson (ex London Mayor and ex Spectator editor in chief) with;

There was a young fellow from Ankara
Who was a terrific wankera
Till he sowed his wild oats
With the help of a goat
But he didn’t even stop to thankera.

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Old 31.05.2016, 22:50
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Former Miss Turkey sentenced to 14-months jail for ‘insulting’ President Erdogan

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Of course the minor criminals who are responsible for bombs in Turkish cities are never caught or punished
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Re: A crime against humanity

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Hatice Ozay, Erdogan’s lawyer, told the court that the model’s posts on social media cannot be considered criticism but rather was an “attack against my client’s personal rights.”
What personal rights could possibly be violated by a poem?
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Old 01.06.2016, 23:11
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Re: A crime against humanity

German Parliament votes tomorrow, Thursday, on the Armenian resolution, whether this was genocide.

The following people will not be there to vote (sigh)
Angela Merkel (CDU)
Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD)
Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
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German Parliament votes tomorrow, Thursday, on the Armenian resolution, whether this was genocide.

The following people will not be there to vote (sigh)
Angela Merkel (CDU)
Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD)
Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
I am pretty sure they'll decide it was a genocide. Good.

Next move it will be to lift the sanctions for Russia, as Russia clearly proves they respect the Minsk agreement, freedom of press etc etc.
Lovely to see European politicians in action. Such strong principled people, truth holders and incorruptble. It's a pleasure to watch them.
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Old 02.06.2016, 11:22
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What personal rights could possibly be violated by a poem?
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite. "
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Old 02.06.2016, 19:42
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German Parliament votes tomorrow, Thursday, on the Armenian resolution, whether this was genocide.

The following people will not be there to vote (sigh)
Angela Merkel (CDU)
Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD)
Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel (SPD)
The German Parliament did vote it was genocide and Turkey politicians have reacted badly and withdrawn the Turkish ambassador. Probably planning more reactions.
Edit; it was a strong vote in favour; only one voted against and there was one abstention (plus the key figures who were busy elsewhere):

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Somehow I missed the fact that Boehmermann already appeared in court over the Erdogan poem; if this is the only court action then he seems to have got off lightly.

Quote "A German court has banned a German comic from repeating parts of an obscene poem he wrote about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The court in Hamburg ruled that Jan Boehmermann's poem was satire, but said the sexual references were unacceptable.

However the comments on President Erdogan's treatment of freedom of speech were allowed, it said."

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Re: A crime against humanity

The court published a script that shows which parts are forbidden. Kind of like Böhmermann when, upon reciting his poem on tv, said that "the following is forbidden".

Since the poem is ruled to be satire, does that publishing mean German courts do satire as well?
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Old 03.06.2016, 14:02
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The court published a script that shows which parts are forbidden. Kind of like Böhmermann when, upon reciting his poem on tv, said that "the following is forbidden".

Since the poem is ruled to be satire, does that publishing mean German courts do satire as well?
So the court published the whole poem again but with the forbidden parts coloured?
Designed to anger Erdogan or what?
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"Turkey's prime minister has condemned as a "historic error" Germany's vote to recognise the 1915 massacre of Armenians as genocide, but said it will not wreck the two countries' ties.
"No-one should expect that relations will suddenly deteriorate completely because of this decision," Binali Yildirim said
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Showing signs of stepping back from the cliff edge! I assume they do not want to lose one of their few remaining friends?

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Edit - Although Yildirim may lose Erdogan as a friend if he makes such public comments.

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So the court published the whole poem again but with the forbidden parts coloured?
Designed to anger Erdogan or what?
Looks like it, doesn't it?
As if the judge was saying "It's the law so I must rule guilty but here's what I think of it personally".

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Showing signs of stepping back from the cliff edge! I assume they do not want to lose one of their few remaining friends?
Perhaps. But this is only the prime minister, I won't believe that interpretation until after the sultan himself has shown a clear reaction.
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this must be another conspiracy
http://www.timesofisrael.com/erdogan...uneral-roster/
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Old 09.06.2016, 10:16
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Re: A crime against humanity

Erdogan signed off a new law yesterday confirming his plan to prosecute MPs belonging to two political parties by withdrawing their immunity to prosecution.

Less well publicised he also signed a new law giving the military immunity from prosecution so they can murder Kurds in their "anti terror" campaign.

At least 5 people were killed yesterday in a car bomb attack on the police HQ of the Midyat district in the South East.

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Mr Erdogan has requested German MPs of Turkish origin to get their blood tested to find out if they are indeed Turkish or perhaps of Kurdish blood(?!). Several German MPs from different parties are under police protection after death threats by Turkish nationalists after Erdogan and other AKP targeted them after the resolution on the genocide...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ogan-comments/
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Mr Erdogan has requested German MPs of Turkish origin to get their blood tested to find out if they are indeed Turkish or perhaps of Kurdish blood(?!). Several German MPs from different parties are under police protection after death threats by Turkish nationalists after Erdogan and other AKP targeted them after the resolution on the genocide...
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which will naturally support the Turkish non-genocide argument

unfortunately the president and his supporters are past reasoning; they live in their own universe hardly remembering what they did/promised/said in recent past and strongly believing in their own superiority

the rest of the country is trying to survive, some trying to resist, some trying to adapt while a few trying to leave the country completely
what's clear is, the country's two sections; pro-government and others, are past reconciliation
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which will naturally support the Turkish non-genocide argument

unfortunately the president and his supporters are past reasoning; they live in their own universe hardly remembering what they did/promised/said in recent past and strongly believing in their own superiority

the rest of the country is trying to survive, some trying to resist, some trying to adapt while a few trying to leave the country completely
what's clear is, the country's two sections; pro-government and others, are past reconciliation
The thing is that everything has it's limits - Europe accepted a lot of trash from Ghaddafi... but at some point he was stopped. Erdogan is going to kick out the opposition and most likely jail most of them... that's the very moment he can forget any free visas or let alone talks to join the EU. It's by now pretty obvious that if ever this only might happen after he left politics and Turkey made a huge swing back to a secular state.


Even Merkel cannot ignore him anymore and has changed her tone a lot over the last couple of days. Yes, he is in a strong position to keep more refugees out of the EU, but that doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants. Not for any ethical reasons, but Merkel will lose popularity and important votes if she does not make a stand now...


I think it's a shame - Erdogan had an extremely popular and successful first ten years as a leader, he really put the Turkish economy on overdrive. Had he retired back then would he forever be remembered as one of the best politicians the country ever had. Right winged, religious and strong handed, but delivering results. Instead he had to turn into just another middle eastern strong man and will be remembered for his silly antics - just like Gaddafi.
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