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View Poll Results: Did your vote change?
Don't be stupid: I was going to vote Leave and still will 28 34.15%
Don't be stupid: I was going to vote Remain and still will 32 39.02%
I changed from Leave/Undecided to Remain 1 1.22%
I changed from Remain/Undecided to Leave 6 7.32%
Still undecided 4 4.88%
Other 11 13.41%
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Old 05.06.2016, 22:04
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and who else - apart from GB adults - are allowed to vote?!
What is a GB adult? I'm a UK citizen living outside GB. And I can vote.
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Old 05.06.2016, 22:11
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I know people working for some banks in London that are creating preparations for moving functions to Frankfurt. A bit like when they all prepared to deal with Greece exiting the Euro.
Frankly, if you have an international business with operations of any kind in the UK and aren't doing any contingency planning, one way or another, you're out of your mind.
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Old 05.06.2016, 22:14
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But how will leaving the EU change any of that?
In fact if today's employment laws based on EU standards are rescinded then this situation will likely worsen?
Examples;
  • ‘employees’ must be given a written statement setting out their pay and working conditions
  • a maximum 48-hour working week
  • a right to paid annual leave
  • women’s pay and pension rights

Source the TUC
It's interesting how the "in" always argue as if all the developments of the past decades within the EU will vanish if GB leaves. Don't you think above mentioned points wold have improved in all this time even in a "free" GB?! The world evolves with or without EU - in fact I got the feeling it evolves faster and more creative without.
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Old 05.06.2016, 22:33
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"the fact that I use the term "wages" has voided the whole argument ?" Congratulations, you got it.

If the EU based laws I quoted are rescinded then this poor (self employed) plumber will face increased price competition from the bigger companies offering the same services who now have lower costs.

Somehow the whole slant of your argument points to a uniquely British problem that is unchanged by EU membership.
In the US if a poor man sees somebody drive by in a new Cadillac then he says "Someday I will be a success and have one of those".
Whereas in Britain he says "look at that toff; I hate him"

"I'll make it simple." but you do not explain why you think leaving the EU will help him?
Because the freedom from those constricting rules and laws of the EU (often completely inapporpriate for some members) would give him the chance to get that Cadillac? But with his attitude he will vote "in" cause he doesn't want that chance (it would mean crativity, work, self-responsibility - sod that, right?). Let's just keep hating the Cadillac-drivers, bastards
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Old 05.06.2016, 22:42
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Does anyone think that if Brexit was to go through then it would be the start of other EU countries having referendums to leave?
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Why on earth would we ? One of the singularly most annoying things the remain campaign have carped on about like a broken record is the number of doctors and nurses who are immigrants like if we stopped an open border policy then the nhs would collapse. Of course it wouldn't, you would use a system where you let people come to the UK based on skills you need. If we have a shortage of nurses, in they come no problem. If we have too many plumbers, then it's more difficult to get a visa. I do hate the way people use moral grandstanding on things like health professionals, they are no more or less important to life than plumbers, teachers or rubbish collectors.
As Switzerland does. And have you noticed the amount of foreign doctors in Swiss hospitals?? And the extremly international nursing staff?
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Old 05.06.2016, 22:53
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Does anyone think that if Brexit was to go through then it would be the start of other EU countries having referendums to leave?
If the UK leaves only Germany will be a net contributor with a reason to leave. I doubt they will as they have historically wanted to control Europe. From another countries perspective who would look a gift horse in the mouth & then say bye bye.
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Old 05.06.2016, 22:56
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Did you see the stats for Trump voters in the USA?

Well, those have just come out for the UK and it's quite interesting:

Voting intention by demography

Voting to remain by more than 50%
Welsh
Scottish
Female
High political interest
ABC1 social grade
Londoners
30-39
University educated
18-29 Lib supporters
Labour supporters

Split
Medium political interest
All GB adults

Those voting out
UKIP
60+
Social grades C2DE
Non university educated
East England
Midlands
50-59
40-49
North England
Males
Southern England.
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What is a GB adult? I'm a UK citizen living outside GB. And I can vote.
sorry, I was referring to list above
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Old 05.06.2016, 23:03
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If the UK leaves only Germany will be a net contributor with a reason to leave. I doubt they will as they have historically wanted to control Europe. From another countries perspective who would look a gift horse in the mouth & then say bye bye.
Finally someone mentions that!
I mentioned that in the 80-ies already and according to Australian friends it was also in the Australian newspapers back then.

However, you don't think Greece for example would feel less like a trapped mouse and begin to think about going back to their old ways? And all these tiny countries who now profit from financial support will soon find out at what cost that comes?
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Old 05.06.2016, 23:12
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It's interesting how the "in" always argue as if all the developments of the past decades within the EU will vanish if GB leaves. Don't you think above mentioned points wold have improved in all this time even in a "free" GB?! The world evolves with or without EU - in fact I got the feeling it evolves faster and more creative without.
No, I don't think the "above mentioned points would have improved in all this time".

"the developments of the past decades within the EU" are facts. What will happen after Brexit is speculation because nobody has made any commitments?
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Old 05.06.2016, 23:14
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Finally someone mentions that!
I mentioned that in the 80-ies already and according to Australian friends it was also in the Australian newspapers back then.

However, you don't think Greece for example would feel less like a trapped mouse and begin to think about going back to their old ways? And all these tiny countries who now profit from financial support will soon find out at what cost that comes?
Greece gains hugely form the EU, they should stay in the EU but revert to the Drachma at a rate that works for Greece
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Old 05.06.2016, 23:19
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Because the freedom from those constricting rules and laws of the EU (often completely inapporpriate for some members) would give him the chance to get that Cadillac? But with his attitude he will vote "in" cause he doesn't want that chance (it would mean crativity, work, self-responsibility - sod that, right?). Let's just keep hating the Cadillac-drivers, bastards
You mean like these constricting rules and laws of the EU ?
  • ‘employees’ must be given a written statement setting out their pay and working conditions
  • a maximum 48-hour working week
  • a right to paid annual leave
  • women’s pay and pension rights
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You mean like these constricting rules and laws of the EU ?
  • ‘employees’ must be given a written statement setting out their pay and working conditions
  • a maximum 48-hour working week
  • a right to paid annual leave
  • women’s pay and pension rights
No wonder the film business is almost totally freelance today, the basic deal of a film in CH is 10 hour days & 6 days a week plus overtime. For a pop video expect a day of 24 hours plus overtime.
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I doubt they will as they have historically wanted to control Europe.
I have been talking to some Germans who are very against the "Leave" faction. And, they don't view their nation's involvement as wanting to control Europe nor would they admit to any historical control mania (apart from the notable examples in the early-mid 20th century). They, however, invoke the concept of a common European identity (and something by Kant- don't remember what) and how it is important to remain cohesive.
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I have been talking to some Germans who are very against the "Leave" faction. And, they don't view their nation's involvement as wanting to control Europe nor would they admit to any historical control mania (apart from the notable examples in the early-mid 20th century). They, however, invoke the concept of a common European identity (and something by Kant- don't remember what) and how it is important to remain cohesive.
It was said tong in cheek, I know English is not your mother tong, so that did not come across. My bad, I should have put a smile.
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You mean like these constricting rules and laws of the EU ?
  • ‘employees’ must be given a written statement setting out their pay and working conditions
  • a maximum 48-hour working week
  • a right to paid annual leave
  • women’s pay and pension rights
No I don't and you know that very well
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No I don't and you know that very well
Well which ones then?
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Because the freedom from those constricting rules and laws of the EU (often completely inapporpriate for some members) ........
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Well which ones then?
Come on, you don't know which rules and laws do you? You are just repeating what you heard somewhere.

Anyway the British Govt. must have thought they were a good idea and voted for them at the time they were introduced. So why do you think the Govt. would do anything different after Brexit?
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Come on, you don't know which rules and laws do you? You are just repeating what you heard somewhere.

Anyway the British Govt. must have thought they were a good idea and voted for them at the time they were introduced. So why do you think the Govt. would do anything different after Brexit?
All the fastidious rules about how a product has to look like, what has to be in it, what may not be in it, how it is supposed to be labelled, what norm it has to fullfill , who may sell to whom, what financial situation a member must be in to be a valuable member etc. etc. etc. Go read EU rules yourself ...... that should keep you busy for a few years.
I have to stop here as there is there's a mod who will delete this post for covering 20 pages of this thread. (JOKE, no offense, mod, just making a point of the amount of EU rules )

<<You are just repeating what you heard somewhere.>> I haven't read what I wrote anywhere actually. Funny, your remark suddenly makes me feel very unique
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Old 06.06.2016, 01:43
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All the fastidious rules about how a product has to look like, what has to be in it, what may not be in it, how it is supposed to be labelled, what norm it has to fullfill , who may sell to whom, what financial situation a member must be in to be a valuable member etc. etc. etc. Go read EU rules yourself ...... that should keep you busy for a few years.
I have to stop here as there is there's a mod who will delete this post for covering 20 pages of this thread. (JOKE, no offense, mod, just making a point of the amount of EU rules )

<<You are just repeating what you heard somewhere.>> I haven't read what I wrote anywhere actually. Funny, your remark suddenly makes me feel very unique
"All the fastidious rules about how a product has to look like, what has to be in it, what may not be in it, how it is supposed to be labelled, what norm it has to fullfill " If Britain wants to continue exporting to the EU then we will have follow all these rules plus any new ones that come along.

Plus any new trade agreements we sign with other countries then likely we have to make our products to follow their rules.

"who may sell to whom" That is why Britain will need a new trade agreement if Britain wants to continue exporting to the EU.

"makes me feel very unique" Oddly enough I thought the same of you
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