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I would. Perhaps refusing to pick cabbages while being paid £5 a day and living in a caravan with 20 other workers is beneath them, but I don't buy into the myth of the lazy British working classes refusing work on a matter of principle.

It's a convenient excuse to pay peanuts to foreigners and avoid the benefits acquired by working people over decades of collective bargaining.
It's not about being lazy- it is about the realities of the kind of employment available having changed. Were you not the one saying it was better to be on low wage and zero hour contracts than unemployed not so long ago? There is no denying that expectations have changed and that there is little worl to be done, and getting less by the day, for those without qualifications suitable for our modern world. Even if those in East Anglia were prepared to pick cabbages, and the customers prepared to pay more to cover better wages- it still wouldn't 'do the trick', here, there or in more and more countries. What is the solution?
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Old 13.11.2016, 19:17
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It's about government getting in the way of people and how bigger government is always wrong

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Socialist ideas seem nostalgic, inefficient and anachronically romantic to new generations. People will have to start to figure out how to be the least dependent on the system. Unqualified means dependent.
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Old 13.11.2016, 19:29
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"In the era of an instant (probably uninformed) click you only need about 5sec snooze. " I can buy into that for the US and W.Europe but I am not sure Putin's supporters in Russia are there yet. Maybe they are, vKontakte claims over ten million visitors per week. Facebook claims twenty million users, impressive but still less than 15%.

If Trump does follow up and deport millions of illegals then who will take over their jobs?
I doubt unemployed blue collar workers will be enthusiastic to take such a pay drop from their old jobs and I do not blame them
I don't think he will at all. As you said, he just has a nack for a potent sales pitch. It bought him votes quite alright. It is way cheaper to let the illegal immigrants be where they are.

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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

I don't think Trump's win was about ideas, but net results in objective reality. This is where things are ultimately judged.

An idea can seem agreeable, sensible and sane. It may even fit most people's sense of fairness, but if it doesn't deliver the results required in objective reality, it doesn't pass the test of reality.

Americans have had it with broken promise and under delivery by its politicians. Politicians have spent way too much effort on finessing perception instead of delivering results in reality. What failed here is that attempt to control the minds of people to detract from failures. They are fed up with being fooled.

The same thing will happen all over Europe if leaders continue on this path of obfuscating reality instead of delivering real results. The blame for this is not on some angry populist right wing movement, its on its incompetent and lying leaders.
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Old 13.11.2016, 21:19
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I don't think Trump's win was about ideas, but net results in objective reality. This is where things are ultimately judged.

An idea can seem agreeable, sensible and sane. It may even fit most people's sense of fairness, but if it doesn't deliver the results required in objective reality, it doesn't pass the test of reality.

Americans have had it with broken promise and under delivery by its politicians. Politicians have spent way too much effort on finessing perception instead of delivering results in reality. What failed here is that attempt to control the minds of people to detract from failures. They are fed up with being fooled.

The same thing will happen all over Europe if leaders continue on this path of obfuscating reality instead of delivering real results. The blame for this is not on some angry populist right wing movement, its on its incompetent and lying leaders.
And now the Americans are condemned to four more years of the same broken promises and under delivery by its politicians.
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The blame for this is not on some angry populist right wing movement, its on its incompetent and lying leaders.
You don't vote for cancer because the chemo isn't working yet.
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Old 13.11.2016, 22:11
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You don't vote for cancer because the chemo isn't working yet.
Speaking of cancer, I think Trump has already put a stop to the on-going process of liberal retardation in the US. Hopefully, some of its consequences can be reversed. It may take a while for Europe to follow suit. He may have saved the Western world from self-destruction.
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Old 13.11.2016, 22:32
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And now the Americans are condemned to four more years of the same broken promises and under delivery by its politicians.
Works that way every four years.

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Speaking of cancer, I think Trump has already put a stop to the on-going process of liberal retardation in the US.
1. I'm not a US liberal. I'm a British liberal. There's a huge, absolutely massive difference. There isn't a party in the US with the same ideology as my party in the UK.

2. Where you come from, calling someone a liberal is an insult.

3. Where I come from, calling someone a retard would earn you the kind of punch that would knock you clean out in one, and I wouldn't like to see the size of the bill for the ful new set of teeth you'd need either.
N.B. Do not take this as a threat. It's a statement of fact. I could gladly take you to anywhere in my home town and test this.
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1. I'm not a US liberal. I'm a British liberal. There's a huge, absolutely massive difference. There isn't a party in the US with the same ideology as my party in the UK.

2. Where you come from, calling someone a liberal is an insult.

3. Where I come from, calling someone a retard would earn you the kind of punch that would knock you clean out in one, and I wouldn't like to see the size of the bill for the ful new set of teeth you'd need either.
N.B. Do not take this as a threat. It's a statement of fact. I could gladly take you to anywhere in my home town and test this.
So you come from a town of violent thugs ???

For what it's worth I would definitely have voted for "Mr. Aleppo" Gary Johnson - freedom from the tyranny of government is exactly what the world needs now - both in the EU and the US.
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Where you come from, calling someone a liberal is an insult.

3. Where I come from, calling someone a retard would earn you the kind of punch that would knock you clean out in one, and I wouldn't like to see the size of the bill for the ful new set of teeth you'd need either.
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So you come from a town of violent thugs ???
The liberal left has gotten too extreme/violent and has got anarchists now. It's not your mom's 60's flower-power-hippies anymore. They have become more violent than the right-wings, which were "traditionally" the more violent group. The right-wings have been kind of quiet the last years. Now when they start to get fed up with liberalism and vote, it's called "populism". And the left get even angrier about it and start "protesting", burning cars, smashing windows, etc. like angry toddlers who aren't getting what they want.
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So you come from a town of violent thugs ???.
I do actually It's more than a little rough round the edges in some areas.

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It's not your mom's 60's flower-power-hippies anymore.
My late mother was born in 1930, (do the maths) but thanks for stooping lower than a snake's belly.

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They have become more violent than the right-wings, which were "traditionally" the more violent group. The right-wings have been kind of quiet the last years. Now when they start to get fed up with liberalism and vote, it's called "populism". And the left get even angrier about it and start "protesting", burning cars, smashing windows, etc. like angry toddlers who aren't getting what they want.
My town is very working class, Labour through and through and had one the highest percentages of Leave voters in the UK. They were miners and cotton mill workers, and would definitely take someone to task for calling them "retards".

Add to that, the local branch of the BNP (far right group) was so violent in their actions that the mainstream BNP disowned them.

But I don't expect you to understand any of this from your ivory tower. I'd like to see you go to a former coal mining town in Pennsylvania and call them retards, because that's the kind of community I'm from.
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The liberal left has gotten too extreme/violent and has got anarchists now. It's not your mom's 60's flower-power-hippies anymore. They have become more violent than the right-wings, which were "traditionally" the more violent group. The right-wings have been kind of quiet the last years. Now when they start to get fed up with liberalism and vote, it's called "populism". And the left get even angrier about it and start "protesting", burning cars, smashing windows, etc. like angry toddlers who aren't getting what they want.
Anarchism is an ideology of its own. Some liberals or conservatives may ditch their own parties ideas and join the ranks of the anarchists and vice versa, but to say that anarchists are violent is in the same vein as saying that "all muslims are terrorists", ridiculous.
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

I just LOVE the slap down of liberal smugness. That was hilarious. May it continue on.

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Old 14.11.2016, 09:24
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The liberal left has gotten too extreme/violent and has got anarchists now. It's not your mom's 60's flower-power-hippies anymore. They have become more violent than the right-wings, which were "traditionally" the more violent group. The right-wings have been kind of quiet the last years. Now when they start to get fed up with liberalism and vote, it's called "populism". And the left get even angrier about it and start "protesting", burning cars, smashing windows, etc. like angry toddlers who aren't getting what they want.
They sure have a retarded idea of tolerance and love. Speaking of bigotry, they don't even acknowledge the hatred they spew out.
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1. I'm not a US liberal. I'm a British liberal. There's a huge, absolutely massive difference.
What's the difference?

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What's the difference?

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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

This thread was created to speculate on the possibility of Trump becoming President of the US. For those who are still wondering about his chances, (spoiler alert) the answer to the question "Will Trump be the next US President?" is... yes.

So, this thread has done its dash. There are other, connected threads on EF; feel free to post Trump-related material there. Examples include:

Will Trump be a Good President?

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